Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Samson]

It's evidently what Bamber was counting on: his word against hers.

Have you studied the close correlation between what Ann Eaton and the police must have told Julie, and what finished as her witness statements.
This correlation shows beyond doubt that she was not relating what Bamber had told her, so she was lying when saying he did tell her these things.
That's right LYING LIKE A FLATFISH FOR THE MONEY.
There is no wiggle room here.
David 1819 has explained it all with attention to detail, but unfortunately your minds are closed.
I have done my homework, and if he was guilty I would not bother posting.
It is the manyinnocents we discuss on IA, life is too short to worry about correct prosecutions excessively.

This case blogs out just like Amanda Knox, trust me, and the guilters skirt evidence the innocenti relish discussing.
That is how it is and always will be.

[Adam]

Have you studied the close correlation between what Ann Eaton and the police must have told Julie, and what finished as her witness statements.
This correlation shows beyond doubt that she was not relating what Bamber had told her, so she was lying when saying he did tell her these things.
That's right LYING LIKE A FLATFISH FOR THE MONEY.
There is no wiggle room here.
David 1819 has explained it all with attention to detail, but unfortunately your minds are closed.
I have done my homework, and if he was guilty I would not bother posting.
It is the manyinnocents we discuss on IA, life is too short to worry about correct prosecutions excessively.

This case blogs out just like Amanda Knox, trust me, and the guilters skirt evidence the innocenti relish discussing.
That is how it is and always will be.

What money ? The NOTW offerred her 25k a year after she approached the police.

So AE and the police told Julie what to say ? A triple effort then.

[Steve_uk]

Have you studied the close correlation between what Ann Eaton and the police must have told Julie, and what finished as her witness statements.
This correlation shows beyond doubt that she was not relating what Bamber had told her, so she was lying when saying he did tell her these things.
That's right LYING LIKE A FLATFISH FOR THE MONEY.
There is no wiggle room here.
David 1819 has explained it all with attention to detail, but unfortunately your minds are closed.
I have done my homework, and if he was guilty I would not bother posting.
It is the manyinnocents we discuss on IA, life is too short to worry about correct prosecutions excessively.

This case blogs out just like Amanda Knox, trust me, and the guilters skirt evidence the innocenti relish discussing.
That is how it is and always will be.

But even if you accept the assumption that Julie read and was influenced by Robert Boutflour's diaries (and I don't) she went much further in her statement than whatever was written by him or discussed by Ann Eaton. She said Jeremy had told her he had hired a hitman and named him. She claimed she had been told a glove had come off in the fight with Nevill. She said Sheila had been told to lie down and was shot last. The latter tallies with the events of that morning.

Another thing the innocent camp has to explain is why does Jeremy telephone Julie at all? He told PC West that Nevill "didn't sound as if he was kidding", which is a ridiculous thing to say in an emergency call to Police if you're genuinely concerned about the welfare of your family.  Why would he be kidding anyway? Was Nevill in the habit of playing sick practical jokes on family members in the middle of the night? What motive does Jeremy have for telephoning Julie at 2am(or whatever time it was) if not to attempt to tie her in as an accessory should she not play ball? Remember he told Police under interrogation on 10 September 1985 that their relationship had been cooling for months. The last thing under those circumstances he would wish to do was encourage her clinginess, unless it was for his own purposes in providing the charade of respectability he needed playing the grieving victim in the aftermath.

[David1819]

she went much further in her statement than whatever was written by him or discussed by Ann Eaton. She said Jeremy had told her he had hired a hitman and named him.

Macdonald and the £2000 can be traced back to the police and Robert Boutflour weeks before Julie came forward. Read RWB's diary notes and Barlows handwritten notes.

She said Jeremy had told her he had hired a hitman and named him. She claimed she had been told a glove had come off in the fight with Nevill.

There was no fight. No fight = Lying Mugford

1. Upstairs Neville received three shots. One of those shots made him unable to use his left arm and the other two went into his jaw and lodged into the back of his neck. Thus he could not have put up much of a fight.

2. There are no debris on the carpet that you would find had there been such a fight.

3. No visible marks on Sheila or Jeremy.

For more info - Read Vanezis trail transcript and DI Cooks 1991 COLP interview

She said Sheila had been told to lie down and was shot last. The latter tallies with the events of that morning.

She said Sheila was shot on the bed and the bible was placed on her chest. False information that she could only have got from Ann Eaton.

Proof Julie got information from Ann Eaton and not Jeremy
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7899.msg374667.html#msg374667

[Steve_uk]

Macdonald and the £2000 can be traced back to the police and Robert Boutflour weeks before Julie came forward. Read RWB's diary notes and Barlows handwritten notes.

There was no fight. No fight = Lying Mugford

1. Upstairs Neville received three shots. One of those shots made him unable to use his left arm and the other two went into his jaw and lodged into the back of his neck. Thus he could not have put up much of a fight.

2. There are no debris on the carpet that you would find had there been such a fight.

3. No visible marks on Sheila or Jeremy.

For more info - Read Vanezis trail transcript and DI Cooks 1991 COLP interview

She said Sheila was shot on the bed and the bible was placed on her chest. False information that she could only have got from Ann Eaton.

Proof Julie got information from Ann Eaton and not Jeremy
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7899.msg374667.html#msg374667

You are nitpicking again.

Nevill was found in the kitchen, dressed in pyjamas, lying over an overturned chair next to the fireplace, amid a scene suggestive of a struggle. He had been shot eight times, six times to the head and face, fired when the rifle was a few inches from his skin. The remaining shots to his body had occurred from at least two feet away. Based on where the empty cartridges were found—three in the kitchen and one on the stairs—the police concluded that he had been shot four times upstairs, but had managed to get downstairs where a struggle took place, and during which he was hit several times with the rifle and shot again, this time fatally.


 What on earth was going on for Nevill to be found located in his favourite chair with his head in the coal scuttle with injuries I won't repeat?  As for Julie in the state she was in and after giving a statement of over 20 pages is she not allowed one slip of memory, if she didn't hear the bible on the chest remark from one of the police that morning at Goldhanger anyway?

[Samson]

I think we should all read and process this article

One striking feature of people who hold science-skeptic views is that they are often just as educated, and just as interested in science, as the rest of us. The problem is not about whether they are exposed to information, but about whether the information is processed in a balanced way. It manifests itself in what Matthew Hornsey (University of Queensland) describes as "thinking like a lawyer," in that people cherry-pick which pieces of information to pay attention to "in order to reach conclusions that they want to be true."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-facts-beliefs-identity-seeds-science.html#jCp

I see this in the Bamber case.
People actually believing Sheila lay down to be shot by her brother next to her mother are in cloud cuckoo land, but I just read it on this forum.
Incridible.

[guest2181]

I think we should all read and process this article

One striking feature of people who hold science-skeptic views is that they are often just as educated, and just as interested in science, as the rest of us. The problem is not about whether they are exposed to information, but about whether the information is processed in a balanced way. It manifests itself in what Matthew Hornsey (University of Queensland) describes as "thinking like a lawyer," in that people cherry-pick which pieces of information to pay attention to "in order to reach conclusions that they want to be true."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-facts-beliefs-identity-seeds-science.html#jCp

Incridible.

Presumably the ironic nature of your post is lost on you.

[Caroline]

I think we should all read and process this article

One striking feature of people who hold science-skeptic views is that they are often just as educated, and just as interested in science, as the rest of us. The problem is not about whether they are exposed to information, but about whether the information is processed in a balanced way. It manifests itself in what Matthew Hornsey (University of Queensland) describes as "thinking like a lawyer," in that people cherry-pick which pieces of information to pay attention to "in order to reach conclusions that they want to be true."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-facts-beliefs-identity-seeds-science.html#jCp

I see this in the Bamber case.
People actually believing Sheila lay down to be shot by her brother next to her mother are in cloud cuckoo land, but I just read it on this forum.
Incridible.

Do they?

People actually believe that a young woman taking haldoperidol had the wherewithal to load and shoot a rifle she'd had no experience of and never miss a target - incredible! I have recently seen the effect of this drug on someone taking a MUCH lower dose, they couldn't function and just had no interest in anything.

[Samson]

Sheila was compliant in her execution, that is true.
She shot herself to avoid confronting the polis with grim facts.

[Caroline]

Sheila was compliant in her execution, that is true.
She shot herself to avoid confronting the polis with grim facts.

Sheila was already dead, when Jeremy made his call to the police. The police had 'grim facts' did they?

[David1819]

load and shoot a rifle she'd had no experience of

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I have recently seen the effect of this drug on someone taking a MUCH lower dose, they couldn't function and just had no interest in anything.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[David1819]

You are nitpicking again.

Nevill was found in the kitchen, dressed in pyjamas, lying over an overturned chair next to the fireplace, amid a scene suggestive of a struggle. He had been shot eight times, six times to the head and face, fired when the rifle was a few inches from his skin. The remaining shots to his body had occurred from at least two feet away. Based on where the empty cartridges were found—three in the kitchen and one on the stairs—the police concluded that he had been shot four times upstairs, but had managed to get downstairs where a struggle took place, and during which he was hit several times with the rifle and shot again, this time fatally.


 What on earth was going on for Nevill to be found located in his favourite chair with his head in the coal scuttle with injuries I won't repeat?  As for Julie in the state she was in and after giving a statement of over 20 pages is she not allowed one slip of memory, if she didn't hear the bible on the chest remark from one of the police that morning at Goldhanger anyway?

"I have been asked what I made of what appeared to have been a violent struggle in the kitchen between Mr. Bamber and his assailant. I am aware that by looking at the photographs they might suggest such a struggle, but at the time it did not appear that way to me. I could only see two things broken, one was a lamp shade and the other was a plate or bowl. There was also brown sugar on the floor but it was confined to one small area. I later learnt that the chairs and the brown sugar had been so knocked over by the firearms unit when they rushed about the house looking for Sheila. Yes Mr Bamber must have put up some resistance but it must have been limited because of she bullet wounds to his neck and the one to, I think his left arm, which caused the hone to be smashed. So at that time it did appear feasible that Sheila could have killed her father. "

[Caroline]

You are nitpicking again.

Nevill was found in the kitchen, dressed in pyjamas, lying over an overturned chair next to the fireplace, amid a scene suggestive of a struggle. He had been shot eight times, six times to the head and face, fired when the rifle was a few inches from his skin. The remaining shots to his body had occurred from at least two feet away. Based on where the empty cartridges were found—three in the kitchen and one on the stairs—the police concluded that he had been shot four times upstairs, but had managed to get downstairs where a struggle took place, and during which he was hit several times with the rifle and shot again, this time fatally.


 What on earth was going on for Nevill to be found located in his favourite chair with his head in the coal scuttle with injuries I won't repeat?  As for Julie in the state she was in and after giving a statement of over 20 pages is she not allowed one slip of memory, if she didn't hear the bible on the chest remark from one of the police that morning at Goldhanger anyway?

Hi Steve,

I don't think there was a 'struggle' exactly, I think Jeremy made it look that way to coincide with his claim that Sheila had gone 'crazy'. The smashed light etc. were probably all staged for effect.

[Samson]

Hi Steve,

I don't think there was a 'struggle' exactly, I think Jeremy made it look that way to coincide with his claim that Sheila had gone 'crazy'. The smashed light etc. were probably all staged for effect.

You have just pulled the rug from Steve Caroline. Who believes the conniving relatives after that? Mendacity oozes everywhere, you should all be thoroughly ashamed to be complicit in this crime against Bamber.

[guest2181]

Hi Steve,

I don't think there was a 'struggle' exactly, I think Jeremy made it look that way to coincide with his claim that Sheila had gone 'crazy'. The smashed light etc. were probably all staged for effect.

I'm struggling to understand what difference it makes.

Whether a two way struggle took place. Or whether a one sided physical attack took place. Or whether the scene was damaged to suggest a struggle took place.
Or a combination of the above.

Clearly something occurred.