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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1035 on: January 22, 2017, 09:47:AM »
You were asked to post the letters where you allegedly caught him out and became convinced of his guilt. Posting a cut out of a single sentence from Jeremy about PII is a typical insubstantial reply from you. Its a red herring shrouded in the impression of an honest answer. 

Blimey, you've got a short memory.
Perhaps you can remember the answer but not the question?   :P

On another note, the extract showing the claim that JB has all the PII information, we've heard that before in one of his blog posts haven't we?

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« Reply #1036 on: January 22, 2017, 09:56:AM »
Steve_uk, what do you think of these thoughts from IA?

IMO he's completely innocent. The police theory does not fit the crime scene, and it does not fit their own records. The case boils down to a couple of pieces of flimsy evidence versus a more plausible explanation of what happened. The people who "found" that evidence thereby gained Bamber's inheritance. The conviction is bullshit and should be overturned.

The guy that wrote that has an encyclopedic knowledge of hundreds of criminal cases world wide.

Charlie Wilkes.

Who?  ???

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1037 on: January 22, 2017, 10:05:AM »
Who?  ???
Charlie Wilkes. (Jim Lovering)
He was a serious activist in the Amanda Knox solution, where the American state department "persuaded" the untrustworthy Italians to solve the case. The state department was acquainted with inviolable case facts, but almost certainly went over the heads of the Italian Supreme court, and explained to the Italian government where things were heading.
Charlie always starts at the crime scene and the photographs. These for example show a distinctly different colour of Sheila's body compared to June's. So they died at wildly different times. No livor mortis on Sheila, none, but very marked coloration on June. This is dead simple, a data point that renders all others subordinate.
This elegantly explains a common feature of murder suicide, the murders are easy and euphoric, the suicide not quite so, and delayed. I coined the term last minutism, because I was always puzzled by the coincidental timing of Robin Bain's suicide and David Bain's return to the house until I realised how this works. The murderers are not so keen on shooting themselves, but are confronted by a grim reality, explain myself or shoot myself and put all explaining on the investigators. In Bamber and Bain this was a royal disaster for the innocent 23 year old men.

I have done my research on both cases, as have other New Zealanders.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1038 on: January 22, 2017, 10:29:AM »
There are always people who will claim Bamber is innocent. Wilkes is following Lomax and Woffinden. Although Woffinden has since changed stance.

There is a mountain of forensic evidence against Bamber in the forums library. Together with a mountain of circumstantial evidence. One alive suspect who had a motive, opportunity and no alibi.

If Wilkes wants to give us his more plausible explanation of what happened and explain how Sheila committed the massacre, that would be much appreciated. There is a first time for everything.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1039 on: January 22, 2017, 10:37:AM »
Charlie Wilkes. (Jim Lovering)
He was a serious activist in the Amanda Knox solution, where the American state department "persuaded" the untrustworthy Italians to solve the case. The state department was acquainted with inviolable case facts, but almost certainly went over the heads of the Italian Supreme court, and explained to the Italian government where things were heading.
Charlie always starts at the crime scene and the photographs. These for example show a distinctly different colour of Sheila's body compared to June's. So they died at wildly different times. No livor mortis on Sheila, none, but very marked coloration on June. This is dead simple, a data point that renders all others subordinate.
This elegantly explains a common feature of murder suicide, the murders are easy and euphoric, the suicide not quite so, and delayed. I coined the term last minutism, because I was always puzzled by the coincidental timing of Robin Bain's suicide and David Bain's return to the house until I realised how this works. The murderers are not so keen on shooting themselves, but are confronted by a grim reality, explain myself or shoot myself and put all explaining on the investigators. In Bamber and Bain this was a royal disaster for the innocent 23 year old men.

I have done my research on both cases, as have other New Zealanders.

How do you think Sheila committed the massacre. To match the crime scene ?

Please ensure you include -

A kitchen fight.

One/two phone calls by Nevill. Dependent on whether you believe Nevill telephoned the police.

Two chambers and two re loads.

The correct bullet allocation.

Sheila committing the massacre, changing, showering, writing a suicide note, reading the bible, moving Nevill's upper body, burning Nevill's back,  within 38/22 minutes. Dependent on whether you believe Nevill phoned the police. 
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1040 on: January 22, 2017, 11:20:AM »
How do you think Sheila committed the massacre. To match the crime scene ?

Please ensure you include -

A kitchen fight.

One/two phone calls by Nevill. Dependent on whether you believe Nevill telephoned the police.

Two chambers and two re loads.

The correct bullet allocation.

Sheila committing the massacre, changing, showering, writing a suicide note, reading the bible, moving Nevill's upper body, burning Nevill's back,  within 38/22 minutes. Dependent on whether you believe Nevill phoned the police.
I have explained often enough.
Sheila went to bed with no period, but when it started she headed downstairs and made a racket with buckets and water that alerted Nevill to the possibility of an intruder, with a young family in his care.
Once again the debate about Sheila's fitness to care for her children in any capacity ensued, and Nevill reminded her how determined June was to prevent her, in full blown crisis to crisis mode, from a caring role.

She grabbed the loaded gun and headed upstairs, where only a woman and 2 children slept.
Nevill hardly feared she was going to actually use it, but phoned Jeremy to repair home to assist with her. While on the phone she pumped 5 bullets into the sleeping June, whereupon he raced upstairs, and she swivelled in the doorway and shot him twice in the mouth, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. He turned to flee down the stairs, and scored a further two shots in the left arm, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. The gun was empty, so she swung by the barrel to immobilise him, head in coal scuttle, reloaded 4 bullets quickly, which she drilled in 2 pairs into Nevill's head. Heading back upstairs she discovered June had struggled to the bedroom door with her body wounds, and she reloaded 2 bullets and drilled the pair into her head. Hence all the cartridge cases in the vicinity of the doorway.
Realising the enormity of her actions she considered the still sleeping twins, and what life held for them, she reloaded an easy 8 bullets before the spring loading got tough, and mercy killed them.

Still just after 3 am, she got busy with the branding Nevill's back, probably visited the bathroom and washed her hands, generally removing traces of bullet loading. Much later, when the police had surrounded the farm, because Jeremy had alerted them to Nevill's call to Goldhanger, she took the line of least resistance, she loaded two bullets to the cartridge for surety, and shot herself while prone, exactly where the body was found. The first shot was misjudged, and she slumped to better target her brain. This worked. Hence the remarkable fact of an empty cartridge.

I am no longer convinced the fresh blood photograph is correct, because the photograph was taken some hours later when all blood would be blackened. This in no way alters the crime reconstruction I have outlined, which keeps Sheila blood free, and does not require any fight in the kitchen.

I would like to have this reconstruction analysed and shown to err in significant detail so I can give it more thought, but it certainly fits the crime scene.

Some people wonder why we are interested in this case, and for me it is to help correct a history of New Zealand, where 50% of the population still believe David Bain killed his family. It is an unconscionable outrage that he was not compensated, but insulted by a crooked judge from Queensland commissioned by a wicked government intent on not losing of votes of their Bain hating supporters.
These people often cite the case of Jeremy Bamber to demonstrate that 23 year old men in a hurry for inheritance will butcher a family.

Absolute bullshit squared. The Menendez brothers may have done so, but the facts are screamingly different, and there is no alternative theory, and they confessed.
23 year olds are optimists, think back yourself Adam.

And by the way, if Jeremy had been insane enough to think he really could despatch three adults with a gun and make one replicate a suicide, with no forensic detail that was indisputably connected to his presence at the crime scene, he would never ring the police that night. He would roll up for work and phone them at that time. No ridiculous nonsense with phone calls during the evening. The same thing would happen, he would say my sister is crazy and she must have done all this. Far fewer moving parts in "the plan".
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1041 on: January 22, 2017, 11:48:AM »
Charlie Wilkes. (Jim Lovering)

Oh okay, I must admit I've never heard of him. You obviously hold him in high regards but I'm not sure why anybody should take his views over any one of the countless experts, witnesses and more recently the armchair sleuths who have offered various opinions over the years.


Charlie always starts at the crime scene and the photographs. These for example show a distinctly different colour of Sheila's body compared to June's. So they died at wildly different times. No livor mortis on Sheila, none, but very marked coloration on June. This is dead simple, a data point that renders all others subordinate.


Looking at crime scene photographs to form views on a historic crime doesn't sound particularly ground breaking.
There have been various discussions on this forum and elsewhere regarding blood settlement and attempts to gauge relative times of death. I'm not sure that any particular consensus has been reached, the quality of the photographs in the public domain appears to be a sticking point. Plus if a conclusion could be so easily reached, one wonders why JB remains where he is.



This elegantly explains a common feature of murder suicide, the murders are easy and euphoric, the suicide not quite so, and delayed. I coined the term last minutism, because I was always puzzled by the coincidental timing of Robin Bain's suicide and David Bain's return to the house until I realised how this works. The murderers are not so keen on shooting themselves, but are confronted by a grim reality, explain myself or shoot myself and put all explaining on the investigators. In Bamber and Bain this was a royal disaster for the innocent 23 year old men.

I have done my research on both cases, as have other New Zealanders.

I personally have little knowledge or interest in this other case that you refer to, but what you have written above doesn't appear to really relate to to Whitehouse Murders. In the scenario where Sheila is the guilty party, it involves her having some sort of mental illness induced episode. If you are suggesting that she then returned to a normal state and decided to kill herself rather than explain her actions to the police, then that's fine, although I don't really see what you are relying to reach such a conclusion.

Given the amount of discussions on this forum alone, it can't have escaped your notice that many people have researched this case to varying levels of thoroughness. I'm sure they all think that they have reached the correct conclusion, whatever that may be.


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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1042 on: January 22, 2017, 11:58:AM »
Oh okay, I must admit I've never heard of him. You obviously hold him in high regards but I'm not sure why anybody should take his views over any one of the countless experts, witnesses and more recently the armchair sleuths who have offered various opinions over the years.

Looking at crime scene photographs to form views on a historic crime doesn't sound particularly ground breaking.
There have been various discussions on this forum and elsewhere regarding blood settlement and attempts to gauge relative times of death. I'm not sure that any particular consensus has been reached, the quality of the photographs in the public domain appears to be a sticking point. Plus if a conclusion could be so easily reached, one wonders why JB remains where he is.


I personally have little knowledge or interest in this other case that you refer to, but what you have written above doesn't appear to really relate to to Whitehouse Murders. In the scenario where Sheila is the guilty party, it involves her having some sort of mental illness induced episode. If you are suggesting that she then returned to a normal state and decided to kill herself rather than explain her actions to the police, then that's fine, although I don't really see what you are relying to reach such a conclusion.

Given the amount of discussions on this forum alone, it can't have escaped your notice that many people have researched this case to varying levels of thoroughness. I'm sure they all think that they have reached the correct conclusion, whatever that may be.
Yes, I have read plenty of material. I understand there are 4 million case documents.
None are required to understand the crime, just the bullet trajectories pertaining to Nevill and Sheila.
Taff Jones could see this straight away. Why the English public and media have allowed this merry cavort over 3 decades skirt the obvious and only truth must remain a mystery for now, but history habitually repairs these egregious errors in time.
In simple terms, Jeremy is telling the whole truth, and Mugford is telling the whole untruth. Why she is allowed to meddle with education of children is for the Canadian government and the hapless parents to consider. Drunk drivers can't get there, why the lyingest paid to lie liar in British history?
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1043 on: January 22, 2017, 12:08:PM »
I have explained often enough.
Sheila went to bed with no period, but when it started she headed downstairs and made a racket with buckets and water that alerted Nevill to the possibility of an intruder, with a young family in his care.
Once again the debate about Sheila's fitness to care for her children in any capacity ensued, and Nevill reminded her how determined June was to prevent her, in full blown crisis to crisis mode, from a caring role.

She grabbed the loaded gun and headed upstairs, where only a woman and 2 children slept.
Nevill hardly feared she was going to actually use it, but phoned Jeremy to repair home to assist with her. While on the phone she pumped 5 bullets into the sleeping June, whereupon he raced upstairs, and she swivelled in the doorway and shot him twice in the mouth, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. He turned to flee down the stairs, and scored a further two shots in the left arm, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. The gun was empty, so she swung by the barrel to immobilise him, head in coal scuttle, reloaded 4 bullets quickly, which she drilled in 2 pairs into Nevill's head. Heading back upstairs she discovered June had struggled to the bedroom door with her body wounds, and she reloaded 2 bullets and drilled the pair into her head. Hence all the cartridge cases in the vicinity of the doorway.
Realising the enormity of her actions she considered the still sleeping twins, and what life held for them, she reloaded an easy 8 bullets before the spring loading got tough, and mercy killed them.

Still just after 3 am, she got busy with the branding Nevill's back, probably visited the bathroom and washed her hands, generally removing traces of bullet loading. Much later, when the police had surrounded the farm, because Jeremy had alerted them to Nevill's call to Goldhanger, she took the line of least resistance, she loaded two bullets to the cartridge for surety, and shot herself while prone, exactly where the body was found. The first shot was misjudged, and she slumped to better target her brain. This worked. Hence the remarkable fact of an empty cartridge.

I am no longer convinced the fresh blood photograph is correct, because the photograph was taken some hours later when all blood would be blackened. This in no way alters the crime reconstruction I have outlined, which keeps Sheila blood free, and does not require any fight in the kitchen.

I would like to have this reconstruction analysed and shown to err in significant detail so I can give it more thought, but it certainly fits the crime scene.

Some people wonder why we are interested in this case, and for me it is to help correct a history of New Zealand, where 50% of the population still believe David Bain killed his family. It is an unconscionable outrage that he was not compensated, but insulted by a crooked judge from Queensland commissioned by a wicked government intent on not losing of votes of their Bain hating supporters.
These people often cite the case of Jeremy Bamber to demonstrate that 23 year old men in a hurry for inheritance will butcher a family.

Absolute bullshit squared. The Menendez brothers may have done so, but the facts are screamingly different, and there is no alternative theory, and they confessed.
23 year olds are optimists, think back yourself Adam.

And by the way, if Jeremy had been insane enough to think he really could despatch three adults with a gun and make one replicate a suicide, with no forensic detail that was indisputably connected to his presence at the crime scene, he would never ring the police that night. He would roll up for work and phone them at that time. No ridiculous nonsense with phone calls during the evening. The same thing would happen, he would say my sister is crazy and she must have done all this. Far fewer moving parts in "the plan".

Thanks.

This is the fifth scenario that has gone into a bit of detail. Yours  Holly's & Alias's said straight away Nevill did not call the police. Sherlock later agreed Nevill did not call the police after I questioned his scenario. David eventually changed stance and agreed Nevill did not call the police after I questioned him on his third submitted scenario.

Mike is still saying Nevill called the police. However his scenario was very basic. Just saying "by shooting them".

Saying Nevill did not call the police gives Sheila more time to do everything. Although it would still take her well over an hour. Posters have said Sheila continued doing things after the police arrived, but have never said what.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1044 on: January 22, 2017, 12:27:PM »
Maybe he doesn't know whether he has received all documents. According to Poppy Ann Miller there were some empty boxes. Or are they all clutching at straws?  http://poppymeze.blogspot.co.uk/2016_11_01_archive.html

Well, these are Jeremy's own words and I am sure he knows what is and isn't held under PII or how would he know he had everything? Poppy also posted that BW had died and various other mistakes. I always think it's best to ask the original source.
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« Reply #1045 on: January 22, 2017, 12:29:PM »
Yes, I have read plenty of material. I understand there are 4 million case documents.
None are required to understand the crime, just the bullet trajectories pertaining to Nevill and Sheila.
Taff Jones could see this straight away. Why the English public and media have allowed this merry cavort over 3 decades skirt the obvious and only truth must remain a mystery for now, but history habitually repairs these egregious errors in time.
In simple terms, Jeremy is telling the whole truth, and Mugford is telling the whole untruth. Why she is allowed to meddle with education of children is for the Canadian government and the hapless parents to consider. Drunk drivers can't get there, why the lyingest paid to lie liar in British history?

You appear selective and inconsistent.

A minute ago it was suggillation that was the clear indicator, now that doesn't matter and it's actually bullet trajectory that trumps everything else.

Why rest upon opinions held by Taff Jones as carrying greater weight than those held by others? Singling him out simply because it fits in with your views is a little on the flimsy side. I haven't read that Taff was an expert in bullet trajectories, or indeed seen anywhere that this was the reason for his opinions held prior to his unfortunate accident.

I'm not sure what relevance JM's life and career has on determining who was responsible for the murders over 30 years ago.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1046 on: January 22, 2017, 12:37:PM »
What does " trump " everything is that there lay two VERY VISIBLY stiff people and one who hadn't began the full process of RM ?
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1047 on: January 22, 2017, 12:39:PM »
Thanks.

This is the fifth scenario that has gone into a bit of detail. Yours  Holly's & Alias's said straight away Nevill did not call the police. Sherlock later agreed Nevill did not call the police after I questioned his scenario. David eventually changed stance and agreed Nevill did not call the police after I questioned him on his third submitted scenario.

Mike is still saying Nevill called the police. However his scenario was very basic. Just saying "by shooting them".

Saying Nevill did not call the police gives Sheila more time to do everything. Although it would still take her well over an hour. Posters have said Sheila continued doing things after the police arrived, but have never said what.
This scenario pulls together the eccentric evidence, particularly the bloody knickers, which only ocurr when a woman begins her period. We know she would not let June discover them in the kitchen in the morning, Nevill coming downstairs to investigate Sheila/Intruder explains all, particularly how June could be shot while asleep, and Nevill being shot downstairs.
Others suggest the twins were shot first, but I do not agree. I see everything beginning with that gun being there by chance, and the continuance of the grim early evening custody/access discussions.
What we do know is that paranoid schizophrenics are no more willing to be shot than the rest of us. It simply never happens, it is an absolute nonsense. I read a thread on red trying to theorise, and it had ideas such as weedkiller as pacifier.
I can't see how you are all so hoodwinked by this case. I know it has become too big to fail, the ramifications for Theresa May as home secreatary now PM are huge. The ramifications for the relatives that acquired Jeremy's money are stupendous also. This should all be reversed, he should be released and the farm returned to him.
This is obvious to blind Freddie. Then everyone can rest their tortured souls.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1048 on: January 22, 2017, 12:42:PM »
I have explained often enough.
Sheila went to bed with no period, but when it started she headed downstairs and made a racket with buckets and water that alerted Nevill to the possibility of an intruder, with a young family in his care.
Once again the debate about Sheila's fitness to care for her children in any capacity ensued, and Nevill reminded her how determined June was to prevent her, in full blown crisis to crisis mode, from a caring role.

She grabbed the loaded gun and headed upstairs, where only a woman and 2 children slept.
Nevill hardly feared she was going to actually use it, but phoned Jeremy to repair home to assist with her. While on the phone she pumped 5 bullets into the sleeping June, whereupon he raced upstairs, and she swivelled in the doorway and shot him twice in the mouth, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. He turned to flee down the stairs, and scored a further two shots in the left arm, DESCENDING TRAJECTORY. The gun was empty, so she swung by the barrel to immobilise him, head in coal scuttle, reloaded 4 bullets quickly, which she drilled in 2 pairs into Nevill's head. Heading back upstairs she discovered June had struggled to the bedroom door with her body wounds, and she reloaded 2 bullets and drilled the pair into her head. Hence all the cartridge cases in the vicinity of the doorway.
Realising the enormity of her actions she considered the still sleeping twins, and what life held for them, she reloaded an easy 8 bullets before the spring loading got tough, and mercy killed them.

Still just after 3 am, she got busy with the branding Nevill's back, probably visited the bathroom and washed her hands, generally removing traces of bullet loading. Much later, when the police had surrounded the farm, because Jeremy had alerted them to Nevill's call to Goldhanger, she took the line of least resistance, she loaded two bullets to the cartridge for surety, and shot herself while prone, exactly where the body was found. The first shot was misjudged, and she slumped to better target her brain. This worked. Hence the remarkable fact of an empty cartridge.

I am no longer convinced the fresh blood photograph is correct, because the photograph was taken some hours later when all blood would be blackened. This in no way alters the crime reconstruction I have outlined, which keeps Sheila blood free, and does not require any fight in the kitchen.

I would like to have this reconstruction analysed and shown to err in significant detail so I can give it more thought, but it certainly fits the crime scene.

Some people wonder why we are interested in this case, and for me it is to help correct a history of New Zealand, where 50% of the population still believe David Bain killed his family. It is an unconscionable outrage that he was not compensated, but insulted by a crooked judge from Queensland commissioned by a wicked government intent on not losing of votes of their Bain hating supporters.
These people often cite the case of Jeremy Bamber to demonstrate that 23 year old men in a hurry for inheritance will butcher a family.

Absolute bullshit squared. The Menendez brothers may have done so, but the facts are screamingly different, and there is no alternative theory, and they confessed.
23 year olds are optimists, think back yourself Adam.

And by the way, if Jeremy had been insane enough to think he really could despatch three adults with a gun and make one replicate a suicide, with no forensic detail that was indisputably connected to his presence at the crime scene, he would never ring the police that night. He would roll up for work and phone them at that time. No ridiculous nonsense with phone calls during the evening. The same thing would happen, he would say my sister is crazy and she must have done all this. Far fewer moving parts in "the plan".

At 3am the 'alleged' earlier conversation about fostering is brought up again. Seems a bit of a strange time to start talking about this again.

Both Nevill & Sheila are bare footed in nightie/pyjamas. Although Nevill thought intruders were in WHF & Sheila went downstairs to do things.

The loaded gun had surprisingly apparently not been put away by Nevill, June & certainly not by Bamber, who had not bothered putting it back where he collected it from the night before.

Sheila is upset at the apparent 3am conversation and June's apparent determination. She takes the loaded gun and goes upstairs.  Nevill amazingly lets her.

Nevill has preferred to ring Bamber at 3am. Who was 'sleeping like a log' three miles away.

Bamber somehow answers his downstairs phone before his answering machine comes on,  within  about 15 seconds. Which is the amount of time it would take Sheila to get upstairs,  aim and fire at June.

Nevill is aware Sheila has opened fire upstairs as he only says 11 words to Bamber after Bamber answers the phone within 15 seconds.   

It's unlikely Nevill would be able to hear the upstairs shots with his one free ear. The gun was quiet.

Nevill runs upstairs unprotected and gets within a foot of Sheila. However no physical confrontation takes place although Sheila manages 4 accurrate shots.

Nevill runs straight back downstairs after being shot 4 times. Why he did nothing upstairs no one knows. He had run upstairs to protect his family after hearing shots. What was he expecting when he got upstairs, tea & biscuits ?

After 9 shots there are still two bullets left. However the kitchen fight now commences. 

Nevill had multiple head and arm injuries. Thread created. This would not happen from just one swing of the rifle. Sheila was surprisingly unmarked in this kitchen fight.

Large and 6.4 Nevill fell a long way towards the floor and landed face first on top of a coal scuttle. And does not knock it over.

This scenario has Sheila completing the massacre and washing her hands just after 3am. However Bamber said Nevill rang him at 3.10am before the massacre had started.

The twins had stayed asleep during the massacre. Although people claim Sheila would have woken during Bamber's relatively quiet massacre.

There is no mention of the bible or suicide note. The suicide notes can be discarded however the bible must be included in Sheila's scenario. Otherwise it was a plant. The police were outside, so not sure how Sheila read the bible in the dark.

My Bamber scenario is available to view on the forum, upon request.



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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #1049 on: January 22, 2017, 12:44:PM »
........ he should be released and the farm returned to him.


Presumably with your research you are aware that the farm was (and is) owned by the 'Henry Smith Trust'?