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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #975 on: December 11, 2016, 01:52:AM »
medical daily.com would disagree with you Stephanie. Research suggests there are certain things in the brain that normal people dont have with this condition.

I haven't explain ed it very well but im pretty sure you would have to know jb very well and be a professional to evaluate and confirm if he had it or not and correct me if I'm wrong you don't have the qualification to ascertain that.

You haven't explained it at all in fact what you've said is back to front!?
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #976 on: December 11, 2016, 10:00:AM »
You see this is what I don't quite understand. I suppose one could have both conditions concurrently, but wasn't Jeremy frightened of strangers when he hid behind his mother's skirts at White House Farm as a young boy?




That's nothing unusual for a child to do,Steve. I hid behind my dad when we visited his aunts. I used to be scared stiff. To a small child,they were terrifying,in my day anyway as they all lived in the past century.
It's only as you get older that you understand certain adults so therefore you become more accustomed to them and their ways of life.Hopefully the brain adjusts ! Some don't.!!

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #977 on: December 11, 2016, 10:09:AM »
Oh it says if I order it now it will arrive before Christmas. I assume Mr. Fallon never murdered anyone so was he able to control these urges or did his psychopathy manifest itself in other undesirable traits?





I agree that it's self-controllable,Steve,given the " right " environment and mindset, free from anything that could trigger unpredictable behaviour.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #978 on: December 11, 2016, 01:20:PM »




I agree that it's self-controllable,Steve,given the " right " environment and mindset, free from anything that could trigger unpredictable behaviour.

Fallon explains that it's part of who he is and he still engages in risky behaviours and lies simply for the sake of it. He doesn't control it because it's who he is. He's not a killer. nor is he violent - he came from a happy home and had good life experiences, had that not been the case - who knows!
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #979 on: December 11, 2016, 01:39:PM »
Fallon explains that it's part of who he is and he still engages in risky behaviours and lies simply for the sake of it. He doesn't control it because it's who he is. He's not a killer. nor is he violent - he came from a happy home and had good life experiences, had that not been the case - who knows!





I haven't actually read the link,Caroline. Just been reading the Mail about the " Insanity of UK's Invisible Killers ",not necessarily psychopathic nor schizophrenic------which makes it more scary. There are more who are non-diagnosed than are ( which we already knew ) and how these illnesses are being underplayed.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #980 on: December 11, 2016, 02:57:PM »
You haven't explained it at all in fact what you've said is back to front!?

Oh well never mind. I think most people got what I meant judging from the posts afterwards.

I take it you're not qualified on this subject then.


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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #981 on: January 20, 2017, 11:18:PM »
I wonder what would change if Jeremy finally admitted his guilt? Would the chain of correspondence cease, or is he just a nonentity in any case on which the curtain closed a long time ago? Colin says he should never be released, and for me this wish is paramount, but did the politicians look to such a situation when they abolished the death penalty fifty years ago of a man stagnating in prison, stultified as he attempts to enthuse over the latest legal dead end, gerontifying before our very eyes as despite his latest reminiscences the stigma of mass murder refuses to go away.  http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/jeremys-56th-birthday-13th-january.html
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« Reply #982 on: January 20, 2017, 11:23:PM »
I wonder what would change if Jeremy finally admitted his guilt? Would the chain of correspondence cease, or is he just a nonentity in any case on which the curtain closed a long time ago? Colin says he should never be released, and for me this wish is paramount, but did the politicians look to such a situation when they abolished the death penalty fifty years ago of a man stagnating in prison, stultified as he attempts to enthuse over the latest legal dead end, gerontifying before our very eyes as despite his latest reminiscences the stigma of mass murder refuses to go away.  http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/jeremys-56th-birthday-13th-january.html

Sounds like he's removed from reality, has no notion of the real world and actually comes across as a child.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #983 on: January 20, 2017, 11:35:PM »
Sounds like he's removed from reality, has no notion of the real world and actually comes across as a child.
Do you think he wrote it himself Hartley? It's heartbreaking really what self-deception can do. I wonder if he still has those secret side-laughs or whether he has practised the deceit for so long he no longer thinks he's done anything wrong.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #984 on: January 20, 2017, 11:43:PM »
It is interesting to see you all rationalise an impossible position.
Jeremy Bamber did not do this crime. On Injustice Anywhere forum the bullet trajectories have been analysed proving that Sheila killed the family and then herself. Accordingly Jeremy is vested with the identical rights in theory as Colin. Colin is a piece of work to decide Jeremy did this because Sheila would have preferred to die next to her children. This is nonsense and psychologically incorrect, her dispute was with June, not Nevill or the children. From New Zealand we are well versed with the parallel case, where Robin Bain shot his family and then himself when they were outing him for incest. There is a similar deluded crowd as here that have twisted the forensics and motivations to support the comfort of authority, in making a false crime reconstruction.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #985 on: January 21, 2017, 12:15:AM »
It is interesting to see you all rationalise an impossible position.
Jeremy Bamber did not do this crime. On Injustice Anywhere forum the bullet trajectories have been analysed proving that Sheila killed the family and then herself. Accordingly Jeremy is vested with the identical rights in theory as Colin. Colin is a piece of work to decide Jeremy did this because Sheila would have preferred to die next to her children. This is nonsense and psychologically incorrect, her dispute was with June, not Nevill or the children. From New Zealand we are well versed with the parallel case, where Robin Bain shot his family and then himself when they were outing him for incest. There is a similar deluded crowd as here that have twisted the forensics and motivations to support the comfort of authority, in making a false crime reconstruction.
Well I am not familiar with bullet trajectories or with the website you quote, but I would have thought it almost impossible to determine whether a sick, gullible young woman sitting down shot herself or someone else was holding the weapon at the time. How right you were that her beef was with June and not her children, which is why she would have stayed in the children's bedroom and killed herself there, possibly even hugging the dead corpses as Police arrived had she been experiencing the psychotic episode the Jeremy supporters are so fond of maintaining she was in the grips of.

As for Robin Bain you are similarly misinformed. Here was a man whose every action was to put his family first, if you bothered to read any of the literature on the case. His daughter, Arawa, was following in his footsteps as a teacher after becoming Head Girl of her school, whilst David who had suffered most academically in the compound at Papua New Guinea had struggled to cope at university upon the family's return to New Zealand and was more like his nonentity mother in character. Thus the fake typed suicide note claiming that "You are the only one who deserved to stay" is a complete joke, or would be had we not been discussing the death of five.

You are right in one respect to link the crimes. Both were committed by young men who felt they were being marginalized, pushed out of their parents' affection and were struggling to cope with the demands of day-to-day existence. Both were nonentities who craved something better, which in their minds could only be achieved by the extirpation of their families: in David's case through the trancing he had learned through his mother and Jeremy with the cocktail of drugs he ingested to get him through that wicked night of which he has since lost all consciousness, hence these pathetic periodic letters which dupe only the uninformed and the diehards, however sincere the latter group may profess to be.
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #986 on: January 21, 2017, 01:08:AM »
Holly (Goodhead) and David 1819 are very constructive on the forum.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewforum.php?f=123

Holly has purchased and probably read Trial by Ambush by Joe Karam where the full narrative concerning the trials of David Bain are described. It is essential reading before deciding that the second New Zealand jury erred in acquitting.
I regard it as helpful bracketing the cases, as the state sponsored crime against David Bain will persist until he is compensated (never indeed is the reality).

However, in simple terms the pathologist in Bain identified a contact wound to the left temple on first and only physical examination. The public were led down the rabbit hole because subsequent "experts" contradicted this physical fact by studying photographs.
As in Sheila Caffel, the trajectory through the brain was exactly consistent with self delivery of the bullets.

Robin Bain's life was in disarray, but Laniet had described the incest in a family meeting earlier that evening, and this is why he shot them all. The evidence of Dean Cottle is high quality, but ruled inadmissible by the first trial judge.
We know the case backwards Steve, including the activists. That debate is unwinnable from your camp, and the corollary is that Sheila Caffel is also guilty. The trajectories prove it.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #987 on: January 21, 2017, 01:30:AM »
Holly (Goodhead) and David 1819 are very constructive on the forum.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewforum.php?f=123

Holly has purchased and probably read Trial by Ambush by Joe Karam where the full narrative concerning the trials of David Bain are described. It is essential reading before deciding that the second New Zealand jury erred in acquitting.
I regard it as helpful bracketing the cases, as the state sponsored crime against David Bain will persist until he is compensated (never indeed is the reality).

However, in simple terms the pathologist in Bain identified a contact wound to the left temple on first and only physical examination. The public were led down the rabbit hole because subsequent "experts" contradicted this physical fact by studying photographs.
As in Sheila Caffel, the trajectory through the brain was exactly consistent with self delivery of the bullets.

Robin Bain's life was in disarray, but Laniet had described the incest in a family meeting earlier that evening, and this is why he shot them all. The evidence of Dean Cottle is high quality, but ruled inadmissible by the first trial judge.
We know the case backwards Steve, including the activists. That debate is unwinnable from your camp, and the corollary is that Sheila Caffel is also guilty. The trajectories prove it.
Laniet was a fantasist who claimed she had given birth to a black baby in Papua New Guinea. She is one of a handful of exceptions to my rule that victims of abuse should always be believed. She was attempting to move into the world of prostitution in Dunedin but Dean Cottle and her other notorious acolytes knew she hadn't got the bottle. David Bain had told schoolfriends a year before the tragedy that a newspaper round would act as good subterfuge to rape a girl. From the green jersey to the bloodied opera gloves, the lies regarding the washing machine cycle, Laniet's gurgling and the rifle magazine planted next to Robin's body  the evidence is all there, if only you choose with an open mind to look for it.

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/story/as-i-knew-david

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/blood-on-davids-clothes-belonged-to-stephen

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2491659/David-Bains-alleged-rape-plan-111-call-revealed
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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #988 on: January 21, 2017, 02:17:AM »
Laniet was a fantasist who claimed she had given birth to a black baby in Papua New Guinea. She is one of a handful of exceptions to my rule that victims of abuse should always be believed. She was attempting to move into the world of prostitution in Dunedin but Dean Cottle and her other notorious acolytes knew she hadn't got the bottle. David Bain had told schoolfriends a year before the tragedy that a newspaper round would act as good subterfuge to rape a girl. From the green jersey to the bloodied opera gloves, the lies regarding the washing machine cycle, Laniet's gurgling and the rifle magazine planted next to Robin's body  the evidence is all there, if only you choose with an open mind to look for it.

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/story/as-i-knew-david

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/evidence/blood-on-davids-clothes-belonged-to-stephen

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2491659/David-Bains-alleged-rape-plan-111-call-revealed
Steve, it is hopeless linking to an ex friend. I did read your link, this is the staple diet for guilters in these cases, post hoc anecdotal. There is not one word or phrase in that article that constitutes evidence. It is simply a good example of the universal rite of discovery of bad character that occurs after the police make a false arrest. Bamber, Knox, Bain, Lundy, and so on.
Sorry, no dice. I am pessimistic that we will find common ground.
Robin Bain shot his family then himself, as did Sheila Caffel.

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Re: Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?
« Reply #989 on: January 21, 2017, 08:48:AM »
Do you think he wrote it himself Hartley? It's heartbreaking really what self-deception can do. I wonder if he still has those secret side-laughs or whether he has practised the deceit for so long he no longer thinks he's done anything wrong.

That's a good point, I presumed that he had written it himself, I guess it may just have been penned by one of his acolytes.

I think he knows exactly what he's done, there's no self deception other than he believes he is successfully fooling people with his stories (I guess that's actually true for some though). His deceit is continuous. You only need to look to his communications with Caroline for an example.