Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Stephanie]

Only in their twilight years does it lessen Steve. If they live that long,that is. It's an incurable disease.

And what lessons in the twilight years?

I said lessens not lessons.

What lessens in the twilight years Lookout?

[notsure]

Michael Stone is an example.

An untreatable psychopath.

I can't remember the name of the professor with pyschopathy?  I've got a mind block. Caroline will know.

Within the criminal justice system? Who knows?

medical daily.com would disagree with you Stephanie. Research suggests there are certain things in the brain that normal people dont have with this condition.

I haven't explain ed it very well but im pretty sure you would have to know jb very well and be a professional to evaluate and confirm if he had it or not and correct me if I'm wrong you don't have the qualification to ascertain that.
 

[notsure]

Sorry was referring to your posts about it not being a desease

[Caroline]

Stephanie(or anyone): can psychopaths ever be reformed by therapy of some description? I was not referring specifically to Jeremy Bamber but wondered if there were any examples of this?

This is a good book written by neuroscientist James Fallon - who discovered through is work, that he a a psychopath. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481414939&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

[maggie]

Sorry was referring to your posts about it not being a desease

As I understand it psychopathy is genetic, the brain is actually wired differently which causes them to  lack or have very low empathy and inhibits feelings of anxiety. It is not possible to change a psychopath's physiology therefore there is no way of teaching a psychopath how to be empathetic.

On the other hand a sociopath develops due to bad nurture and environment so in theory it may be possible to at least improve the behaviour of a sociopath.

[maggie]

This is a good book written by neuroscientist James Fallon - who discovered through is work, that he a a psychopath. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481414939&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

Thanks Caroline, I was trying to remember his name.

[Caroline]

Michael Stone is an example.

An untreatable psychopath.

I can't remember the name of the professor with pyschopathy?  I've got a mind block. Caroline will know.

Within the criminal justice system? Who knows?  I don't trust the statistics.

It's James Fallon Steph https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer

[Caroline]

As I understand it psychopathy is genetic, the brain is actually wired differently which causes them to  lack or have very low empathy and inhibits feelings of anxiety. It is not possible to change a psychopath's physiology as there is no way of teaching them how to be empathetic.

On the other hand a sociopath develops due to bad nurture and environment so in theory it may be possible to at least improve the behaviour of a sociopath.

It can also be caused by a head injury Maggie. They all share damage, lesions or abnormal function in the prefrontal cortex. Fallon looked at brain scans and found that scans of serial killers ALL had a problem in this area - in looking at a  scan of his own, he realised that he also had this problem. It went a long way to explain why he engages in risky behaviours - his family weren't shocked by the revelation.

[Steve_uk]

This is a good book written by neuroscientist James Fallon - who discovered through is work, that he a a psychopath. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481414939&sr=8-1&keywords=james+fallon

Oh it says if I order it now it will arrive before Christmas. I assume Mr. Fallon never murdered anyone so was he able to control these urges or did his psychopathy manifest itself in other undesirable traits?

[Steve_uk]

As I understand it psychopathy is genetic, the brain is actually wired differently which causes them to  lack or have very low empathy and inhibits feelings of anxiety. It is not possible to change a psychopath's physiology therefore there is no way of teaching a psychopath how to be empathetic.

On the other hand a sociopath develops due to bad nurture and environment so in theory it may be possible to at least improve the behaviour of a sociopath.

You see this is what I don't quite understand. I suppose one could have both conditions concurrently, but wasn't Jeremy frightened of strangers when he hid behind his mother's skirts at White House Farm as a young boy?

[maggie]

It can also be caused by a head injury Maggie. They all share damage, lesions or abnormal function in the prefrontal cortex. Fallon looked at brain scans and found that scans of serial killers ALL had a problem in this area - in looking at a  scan of his own, he realised that he also had this problem. It went a long way to explain why he engages in risky behaviours - his family weren't shocked by the revelation.

I remember reading it Caroline. Think it was in the Observer?
I know there are different grades of psychopaths and most never kill but they will show a lack of empathy and/or a lack of fear.
Winston Churchill was very possibly a psychopath to some degree. He wasn't a very successful peacetime politician but came into his own as a war leader. He possessed the right qualities, you cannot be sentimental about loss of life of the enemy or those on your own side. The aim is to win at all costs.

[maggie]

You see this is what I don't quite understand. I suppose one could have both conditions concurrently, but wasn't Jeremy frightened of strangers when he hid behind his mother's skirts at White House Farm as a young boy?

Hi Steve I don't believe a psychopath could develop sociopathy because a sociopath is a person damaged by abuse, neglect and lack of nurturing. They have to have the need for nurturing and love to be damaged by the lack of it.  A psychopath is born without the need for love and empathy so wouldn't notice if it were missing?

[maggie]

You see this is what I don't quite understand. I suppose one could have both conditions concurrently, but wasn't Jeremy frightened of strangers when he hid behind his mother's skirts at White House Farm as a young boy?

I believe psychopathy doesn't usually show until early teens but I'm not an expert and I have a n open mind on JB's personality so can't help you Steve 

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve I don't believe a psychopath could develop sociopathy because a sociopath is a person damaged by abuse, neglect and lack of nurturing. They have to have the need for nurturing and love to be damaged by the lack of it.  A psychopath is born without the need for love and empathy so wouldn't notice if it were missing?

But this contradicts what Jeremy told Julie, unless of course it was all just a ruse to justify the slaughter. I do find it difficult to square with Jeremy's need for hugs and affection as a child and into adolescence, and of course put Sheila into the picture and some could claim the same might apply.

[Stephanie]

But this contradicts what Jeremy told Julie, unless of course it was all just a ruse to justify the slaughter. I do find it difficult to square with Jeremy's need for hugs and affection as a child and into adolescence, and of course put Sheila into the picture and some could claim the same might apply.

Freud referred to it as the Oedipus complex. http://m.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html