Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Jane]

It was Neville of course when he rang the police.He'd possibly have had time to also tell them that Sheila had hold of a gun. Because both men would have addressed themselves as Mr Bamber,the police took it as having been ONE Mr Bamber. That mistake cost Jeremy his life.  Dozy beggars.

Which, of course, only works if one believes Nevill made that call to the police.

[lookout]

Which I do.

It's just a thousand pities that the tapes to these calls aren't available.

[Jane]

Which I do.

It's just a thousand pities that the tapes to these calls aren't available.

IF such tapes had EVER existed, I imagine they, along with any other potentially incriminating "stuff" would have disappeared post haste once it became obvious that supporters were looking for a reason to get Jeremy out.

[lookout]

IF such tapes had EVER existed, I imagine they, along with any other potentially incriminating "stuff" would have disappeared post haste once it became obvious that supporters were looking for a reason to get Jeremy out.

I'm convinced that such tapes would have existed considering the types of calls,but would have ended up in smoke as other vital material did. There was the excuse that messages had been taped over-------yes,I'll bet,a month later when SJ came onto the scene.

[lookout]

Strange how every last thing that would/could have saved Jeremy's neck was completely destroyed.
Makes me wonder about the much requested withheld documents--------whether they too have suddenly gone up in flames because of no answer/reply coming forthwith from EP.

[Jane]

Strange how every last thing that would/could have saved Jeremy's neck was completely destroyed.
Makes me wonder about the much requested withheld documents--------whether they too have suddenly gone up in flames because of no answer/reply coming forthwith from EP.

Well, TRY turning it around to make it personal. If you had, rather stupidly, secreted somewhere, proof of some misdeed you'd carried out in another life and you heard that, years down the line, the misdeed was being 'looked into', would you make them available for viewing or would you 'lose' them?

[lookout]

Well, TRY turning it around to make it personal. If you had, rather stupidly, secreted somewhere, proof of some misdeed you'd carried out in another life and you heard that, years down the line, the misdeed was being 'looked into', would you make them available for viewing or would you 'lose' them?

But I'm not the police investigating a murder though,and I certainly couldn't live normally if there was some " secret " hanging over me. I have a conscience you see and would have to clear the air one way or another.
I probably wouldn't get myself in such a mess in the first place. That's not the way I was brought up.

[Jane]

But I'm not the police investigating a murder though,and I certainly couldn't live normally if there was some " secret " hanging over me. I have a conscience you see and would have to clear the air one way or another.
I probably wouldn't get myself in such a mess in the first place. That's not the way I was brought up.

Clearly, you seem not to have the insight to see how it might have worked and you're probably not a team player. IF there had been a conspiracy at ground level -which I doubt-  not for the life of me could I see a single man spilling the beans on the rest of his colleagues. Whatever service it is, a strong feeling of team spirit is encouraged.

[lookout]

Clearly, you seem not to have the insight to see how it might have worked and you're probably not a team player. IF there had been a conspiracy at ground level -which I doubt-  not for the life of me could I see a single man spilling the beans on the rest of his colleagues. Whatever service it is, a strong feeling of team spirit is encouraged.

As I've already pointed out,they were all under pressure because of a prior meeting that " heads would roll " if any more investigations failed,so with that in mind,you would lie through your teeth to save your skin-------------if you were that way inclined.

[Jane]

As I've already pointed out,they were all under pressure because of a prior meeting that " heads would roll " if any more investigations failed,so with that in mind,you would lie through your teeth to save your skin-------------if you were that way inclined.

There's no "I" in team, Lookout. The whole is far more important than the individual. SHOULD such a situation have arisen, it wouldn't have been a question of lying to save one's own skin. I will add here that at least one of the team had 20+ years experience and he never wavered from believing Jeremy was guilty.

[lookout]

There's no "I" in team, Lookout. The whole is far more important than the individual. SHOULD such a situation have arisen, it wouldn't have been a question of lying to save one's own skin. I will add here that at least one of the team had 20+ years experience and he never wavered from believing Jeremy was guilty.

That would have been SJ then,the one who never wavered.

[Jane]

That would have been SJ then,the one who never wavered.

If you say so.

[Steve_uk]

I can't see why they covered up a call from Nevill, as that would have got them in Taff Jones' good books and proved him right. Strange that Nevill had all the time in the world to go into detail about Sheila's illness during that call yet be cut off sharply when he allegedly made the call to Jeremy, which conveniently spares the latter further embellishment of untruths.

[Romeo]

Good comments Jane J.....

I don't believe for one moment that Neville rang Chelmsford police... JB did!  NB was shot in the jaw upstairs, which made speech impossible, he then made it downstairs ( which we know he did probably at gun point) looked up the number for Chelmsford police although he had emergency numbers on the dial of his phone... also rang JB... and didn't leave an excessive amount of blood on the phone in the process..... Never!

Lookout, the police were under the impression it was 5 murders and a suicide when they entered WHF, to say they destroyed evidence that could have proved JB's innocence is not the case. If anything, any evidence that was destroyed was because JB had spun a good line implicating his sister! Taff Jones was in charge in the beginning and believed JB...so he would have been the one to give the go ahead to burn evidence, discard tapes and clear up the crime scene....only to find out later he was wrong to do so! Hence his continued stance  that Sheila had committed suicide.... Once the police etc looked into the crime more, it became obvious Sheila had not shot herself twice in the neck.....Taff Jones was then replaced because crucial evidence had been lost!  Conclusion....JB spun such a great line regarding his sister, that he shot himself in the foot regarding convincing Taff Jones of his supposed innocence.

[lookout]

I can't see why they covered up a call from Nevill, as that would have got them in Taff Jones' good books and proved him right. Strange that Nevill had all the time in the world to go into detail about Sheila's illness during that call yet be cut off sharply when he allegedly made the call to Jeremy, which conveniently spares the latter further embellishment of untruths.

It wasn't covered up as such. A mistake had been made by EP thinking that "a " single call came from Mr Bamber,when in fact there were two Mr Bambers but by the time the messages had been taken and cars dispatched to the  " one " address where the incident happened to be,as time went on and a tragedy became imminent,that mistake then became swallowed up with what had happened and so it became too late to rectify.
I can clearly see what happened but it's difficult to put into words what I'm trying to explain.