Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Jane]

Dr Ferguson was unhappy about Sheila discharging herself in March 1985 and maybe she felt she wasn't getting the help she needed and had lost respect for the doctor, which is why he recorded in one statement that she laughed inappropriately during any consultation with him. I always felt Dr Ferguson was sincere in what he did write but ultimately it's only one man's opinion and they did actually let her leave the hospital and not restrain her. As to the cocaine there's no direct reference in any of the four main books to this, the best portrait of her being in Clare Powell's book, which does mention the insecure glamour models of the Maida Vale set where cocaine parties did take place and if one assumes that Sheila attended then it's guilt by association. There's one poignant allusion to a bag of heroin lying in a chest of drawers in one of these parties openly accessible to children, which horrified Sheila, suggesting to me that by that stage the twins were not in any material danger from her and she was more guilty of omission than by deliberate intent, a view also shared by the social workers when they intervened in their care.

Steve, Sheila's reason for leaving the hospital, earlier than Dr Ferguson would have liked, was Christine's visit. She didn't want their first meeting to take place in a psych unit. I suspect that no attempt was made to restrain her because, whilst not as well as would have been hoped, she was no longer ill enough to insist that she stayed. It MAY be, that had she stayed, the dose of Haldol, whilst apparently being the accepted dose for acute patients in the 80's, could have been reduced before she left the hospital.

[Jane]

well that's hardly the right place to be discussing anyone else's death. Just opinions Jane

I don't know that they WERE discussing death per se. It was the CASE which was being discussed.

[guest7363]

I don't know that they WERE discussing death per se. It was the CASE which was being discussed.

Every time I go to a funeral we discuss someone else who has died Jane, only natural as you get older and lose contact, memories and sadness bring out emotions with work colleagues.

[lookout]

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!! Lookout is the only person to have gut instincts which are correct.

No need for that is there ?

[Jane]

Every time I go to a funeral we discuss someone else who has died Jane, only natural as you get older and lose contact, memories and sadness bring out emotions with work colleagues.

Yes Justice. It seems to follow on quite naturally at funeral wakes.

[Jane]

No need for that is there ?

A perfectly natural response to your assertion that YOUR gut instincts are 99.9 correct. Whilst you didn't QUITE say that few others had instincts as sharply honed as your own, it was implied.

[lookout]

A perfectly natural response to your assertion that YOUR gut instincts are 99.9 correct. Whilst you didn't QUITE say that few others had instincts as sharply honed as your own, it was implied.

Following procedures and " by the book investigations,etc " as EP did, isn't always the right thing to do if one or two happen to disagree and because of pressures put upon those who disagree to fall in with others or expect a telling off there will always remain doubt about something.
When " Taff " had given his verdict,everyone was satisfied that murder/suicide was the result.
Then along came S.Jones,gave his verdict and everyone agreed with him ?
This alone doesn't make sense and not one of those officers came forward to question the change. Because they were all under pressure by the man at the top to secure a conviction.
This is what's happening with every system in this country.As long as those at the top get the results they want and provided nobody asks any questions then that's fine.

[Jane]

Following procedures and " by the book investigations,etc " as EP did, isn't always the right thing to do if one or two happen to disagree and because of pressures put upon those who disagree to fall in with others or expect a telling off there will always remain doubt about something.
When " Taff " had given his verdict,everyone was satisfied that murder/suicide was the result.
Then along came S.Jones,gave his verdict and everyone agreed with him ?
This alone doesn't make sense and not one of those officers came forward to question the change. Because they were all under pressure by the man at the top to secure a conviction.
This is what's happening with every system in this country.As long as those at the top get the results they want and provided nobody asks any questions then that's fine.

If ones asks from whom "Taff" received the information on which he based his finding of murder/suicide, it seems likely that he'd have received it from HQ/those already at the scene. If one further asks from whom THEIR information came, I guess the answer is Jeremy.

[lookout]

If ones asks from whom "Taff" received the information on which he based his finding of murder/suicide, it seems likely that he'd have received it from HQ/those already at the scene. If one further asks from whom THEIR information came, I guess the answer is Jeremy.

I don't think so.

[lookout]

Jane,when these latest findings come to fruition and it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy is innocent,what will your thoughts be ?

[Jane]

I don't think so.

Well, who else would ANY of them have had contact with at that time of the morning? Was it NOT Jeremy who first mentioned his sister's mental health. Even if you choose to believe that Nevill went through a similar procedure to Jeremy to ring the police, he'd undoubtedly have said similar words to Jeremy's otherwise there'd have been no point in making the call.

[Jane]

Jane,when these latest findings come to fruition and it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy is innocent,what will your thoughts be ?

For someone who confesses to trusting no one, you appear far more trusting than many. I'm not holding my breath. Judging by the amount of time it's taken to raise £4500 he doesn't appear to be overburdened by supporters willing to give financial support.

[lookout]

For someone who confesses to trusting no one, you appear far more trusting than many. I'm not holding my breath. Judging by the amount of time it's taken to raise £4500 he doesn't appear to be overburdened by supporters willing to give financial support.

I'm not trusting of those who led and orchestrated the final investigation,not at all. Jeremy,yes.

The whole trouble with this fund is that it's come too late in my opinion as so many others including MOJ's are also requesting funding because of there being no legal aid. I actually do think about others in the same boat as Jeremy,but are not as fortunate,not being as educated as he to enable them to get a foothold.
Also,this case isn't as widely known as perhaps some others are,but even so,I reckon the amount will be there before the deadline.

[Jane]

I'm not trusting of those who led and orchestrated the final investigation,not at all. Jeremy,yes.

The whole trouble with this fund is that it's come too late in my opinion as so many others including MOJ's are also requesting funding because of there being no legal aid. I actually do think about others in the same boat as Jeremy,but are not as fortunate,not being as educated as he to enable them to get a foothold.
Also,this case isn't as widely known as perhaps some others are,but even so,I reckon the amount will be there before the deadline.

Lookout, you have yet to say from whom you believe the police received information regarding Sheila -at such an unearthly hour of the morning- if it wasn't from Jeremy.

[lookout]

Lookout, you have yet to say from whom you believe the police received information regarding Sheila -at such an unearthly hour of the morning- if it wasn't from Jeremy.

It was Neville of course when he rang the police.He'd possibly have had time to also tell them that Sheila had hold of a gun. Because both men would have addressed themselves as Mr Bamber,the police took it as having been ONE Mr Bamber. That mistake cost Jeremy his life.  Dozy beggars.