Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

Steve,I remain convinced that Sheila had had PPP. Because the condition hadn't been diagnosed and instead schizophrenia had,her medication would have been different too. Also,to have had the illness for 6+ years would have required a more lengthy stay in hospital and most certainly adjustments made in her medication.
Although the Haldol had been reduced, it would have meant also reducing the doses of her other medication to counterbalance the side-effects ,but I don't remember reading about that. However,when a patient takes such a high dose injection of Haldol which Sheila was originally prescribed,it tells me that the patient was/is " severely " ill,otherwise why prescribe such a high dose ? Yet Dr Ferguson had insisted that nobody had been in any danger ? That being the case,why the high dose ? What wasn't he saying as opposed to what he did say ? I just believe that the Haldol exacerbated the condition that Sheila originally had. It's a dangerous drug when administered for the wrong reasons.

Sheila had anxieties as well as low social confidence,which was probably why she took cocaine at parties to give her that confidence.

Dr Ferguson was unhappy about Sheila discharging herself in March 1985 and maybe she felt she wasn't getting the help she needed and had lost respect for the doctor, which is why he recorded in one statement that she laughed inappropriately during any consultation with him. I always felt Dr Ferguson was sincere in what he did write but ultimately it's only one man's opinion and they did actually let her leave the hospital and not restrain her. As to the cocaine there's no direct reference in any of the four main books to this, the best portrait of her being in Clare Powell's book, which does mention the insecure glamour models of the Maida Vale set where cocaine parties did take place and if one assumes that Sheila attended then it's guilt by association. There's one poignant allusion to a bag of heroin lying in a chest of drawers in one of these parties openly accessible to children, which horrified Sheila, suggesting to me that by that stage the twins were not in any material danger from her and she was more guilty of omission than by deliberate intent, a view also shared by the social workers when they intervened in their care.

[notsure]

H., if we look a how that initial opinion was formed, we can only look to it's source which -even if we're prepared to believe Nevill's alleged call to the police-  was Jeremy.  The case -certainly the most important, if not the biggest Essex has ever handled- was discussed, at length, at a recent police funeral. All agreed that Jeremy was guilty.

well that's hardly the right place to be discussing anyone else's death. Just opinions Jane

[lookout]

Dr Ferguson was unhappy about Sheila discharging herself in March 1985 and maybe she felt she wasn't getting the help she needed and had lost respect for the doctor, which is why he recorded in one statement that she laughed inappropriately during any consultation with him. I always felt Dr Ferguson was sincere in what he did write but ultimately it's only one man's opinion and they did actually let her leave the hospital and not restrain her. As to the cocaine there's no direct reference in any of the four main books to this, the best portrait of her being in Clare Powell's book, which does mention the insecure glamour models of the Maida Vale set where cocaine parties did take place and if one assumes that Sheila attended then it's guilt by association. There's one poignant allusion to a bag of heroin lying in a chest of drawers in one of these parties openly accessible to children, which horrified Sheila, suggesting to me that by that stage the twins were not in any material danger from her and she was more guilty of omission than by deliberate intent, a view also shared by the social workers when they intervened in their care.

Sheila would have been admitted under section 3 ? at the clinic. All patients who are admitted in such places are sectioned according to their illness. A section 3 is mainly for those needing treatment and the indication that I get that Sheila had been able to more or less discharge herself,was that she was under this particular section,although I'd still be interested to know. Even on her discharge she should have been " supervised " by having weekly visits from a health worker. During treatment and also after discharge,the patient remains under the " guardianship " of mental health workers. I don't remember reading any of this either !
There's no doubt in my mind that Sheila had been let down by the services which should have been provided.
 

[guest7363]

Sheila would have been admitted under section 3 ? at the clinic. All patients who are admitted in such places are sectioned according to their illness. A section 3 is mainly for those needing treatment and the indication that I get that Sheila had been able to more or less discharge herself,was that she was under this particular section,although I'd still be interested to know. Even on her discharge she should have been " supervised " by having weekly visits from a health worker. During treatment and also after discharge,the patient remains under the " guardianship " of mental health workers. I don't remember reading any of this either !
There's no doubt in my mind that Sheila had been let down by the services which should have been provided.

. Poor Sheila, she  was let down by Bamber when he murdered her family and framed her for the murders, must have been awful for her, what she had gone through and then to have a brother like him.  Must have been awful for her in them dying moments understanding why her brothers jealousy and hatred had made him Di this.  Like the Pope said,

“Envy kills,” the Pope said. “It does not tolerate others having something that I do not have. And it always suffers, because the heart of an envious or jealous person suffers. It is a suffering heart!” It is a suffering that desires “the death of others

[lookout]

. Poor Sheila, she  was let down by Bamber when he murdered her family and framed her for the murders, must have been awful for her, what she had gone through and then to have a brother like him.  Must have been awful for her in them dying moments understanding why her brothers jealousy and hatred had made him Di this.  Like the Pope said,

“Envy kills,” the Pope said. “It does not tolerate others having something that I do not have. And it always suffers, because the heart of an envious or jealous person suffers. It is a suffering heart!” It is a suffering that desires “the death of others

Why bring the Pope into it ? I'm not interested in him !

I'm sure you'll find that Jeremy didn't do anything,least of all kill his family.

[lookout]

Sheila had been let down by the same system we have today which continues to let people down,but on a larger scale than it did in 1985.

[guest7363]

Why bring the Pope into it ? I'm not interested in him !

I'm sure you'll find that Jeremy didn't do anything,least of all kill his family.

Well don't respond then if your not interested?  Bit hypocritical really.

[Roch]

“Envy kills,” the Pope said. “It does not tolerate others having something that I do not have. And it always suffers, because the heart of an envious or jealous person suffers. It is a suffering heart!” It is a suffering that desires “the death of others

To the victor belong the spoils Senator William Learned Marcy

History is written by the victor Winston Churchill

Perhaps history is also written by the media?...

[maggie]

. Poor Sheila, she  was let down by Bamber when he murdered her family and framed her for the murders, must have been awful for her, what she had gone through and then to have a brother like him.  Must have been awful for her in them dying moments understanding why her brothers jealousy and hatred had made him Di this.  Like the Pope said,

“Envy kills,” the Pope said. “It does not tolerate others having something that I do not have. And it always suffers, because the heart of an envious or jealous person suffers. It is a suffering heart!” It is a suffering that desires “the death of others

Love that quote justice.

[maggie]

To the victor belong the spoils Senator William Learned Marcy

History is written by the victor Winston Churchill

Perhaps history is also written by the media?...

And the psychopaths?

[lookout]

Well don't respond then if your not interested?  Bit hypocritical really.

Why am I hypocritical ? Just because I don't follow the Pope or what he has to say ?

[Caroline]

And the psychopaths?

Lots of those in the media Maggie 

[guest7363]

Love that quote justice.

Thanks Maggie, Being able to put words together like that requires special talent?  The Vatican City is such a great place to visit.

[Roch]

And the psychopaths?

Do you mean Jeremy Bamber?

I think Diane Keen has probably been more effective, in the eye of the wider general public 

[Jane]

My gut feelings are 99.9% correct. Others prefer the easy way out by following others--------that's the difference.
Experienced men ? I don't think so ! It was an " experienced man " who I'd had a gut-feeling about,a top man in his field and what he'd done was horrendous beyond words.Nobody believed me until he was sent to prison and it made headline news. NHS,POLICE and the like is a closed shop---except where I'm concerned because at the time I was like a dog with a bone.Even my own boss hadn't believed me when I first reported the matter, but if she had have done,there wouldn't have been any more traumatised families.
Some people DON'T want to believe the truth,believing it will go away and I'd been labelled as " paranoid " at the time and had been offered leave !! Not a chance. Paranoid. A new word for being truthful 

NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!! Lookout is the only person to have gut instincts which are correct.