Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

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How's about the simple gut feeling of experienced men who never supported Taff's conviction to the contrary? How often have you held your own gut feeling -based on your experience and going against your superiors- to be correct? You can't deny the same to others just because you don't agree.

My gut feelings are 99.9% correct. Others prefer the easy way out by following others--------that's the difference.
Experienced men ? I don't think so ! It was an " experienced man " who I'd had a gut-feeling about,a top man in his field and what he'd done was horrendous beyond words.Nobody believed me until he was sent to prison and it made headline news. NHS,POLICE and the like is a closed shop---except where I'm concerned because at the time I was like a dog with a bone.Even my own boss hadn't believed me when I first reported the matter, but if she had have done,there wouldn't have been any more traumatised families.
Some people DON'T want to believe the truth,believing it will go away and I'd been labelled as " paranoid " at the time and had been offered leave !! Not a chance. Paranoid. A new word for being truthful 

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My gut feelings are 99.9% correct. Others prefer the easy way out by following others--------that's the difference.

. Always trust your GUT.  It knows your head hasn't figured it out?

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. Always trust your GUT.  It knows your head hasn't figured it out?

Yeah-------well you're just another one.Tell that to the cops !

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One has to be as crafty and cunning as the police to find out what gut-feelings are all about and how they themselves reach the conclusions that they do. The idea is to work in opposite directions to them to get the right answer.!

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After all these years the police are only just coming to terms with the fact that mental health DOES exist.
This is utterly shameful in my opinion. An elderly,blind man arrested and fought with all because his white stick had been mistaken for a sword ?
People have been arrested for being drunk and disorderly when they've actually been suffering from hypoglycemia,a most dangerous and sometimes fatal situation.

Gut feeling ? I hardly think so. Over zealous of situations beyond their control is more like it.

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Yeah-------well you're just another one.Tell that to the cops !

. Because you write to Jeremy, have you ever thought he might be manipulating your gut?  Psycopaths are very good at disarming your gut instincts?  This is not me saying this by the way it is well known within this field?

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. Because you write to Jeremy, have you ever thought he might be manipulating your gut?  Psycopaths are very good at disarming your gut instincts?  This is not me saying this by the way it is well known within this field?

For goodness sake,do you honestly think that anyone would get past me via manipulation ? On the contrary,it's you and others who are being manipulated by the law if you did but know it.There are lots of psychopaths in high places--------well known in the fields of professionalism !! Look it up. 

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For goodness sake,do you honestly think that anyone would get past me via manipulation ? On the contrary,it's you and others who are being manipulated by the law if you did but know it.There are lots of psychopaths in high places--------well known in the fields of professionalism !! Look it up.

Poor Daisy thought the same, Psychopaths typically display an incredible ability to manipulate others and sometimes take pleasure in doing so.

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I would have even challenged Dr Ferguson about his diagnosis of schizophrenia with Sheila. My reckoning would have been that she'd suffered post-partum psychosis after the twins were born. This can happen within hours of giving birth and if left untreated can create all sorts of other problems.
It's a condition that wouldn't have been as widely known or heard of when the twins were born and just looked upon as the " norm " known as the baby blues.

With this illness,there are similar symptoms to schizophrenia such as seeing/hearing things that aren't there,delusions and hallucinations,as mentioned. Memory loss is common when even family members aren't recognised,nobody appears to be " real " in their lives.
I think about the photograph of the twins which had been torn in half.Was it that she didn't recognise them at the time ?
Medication for this particular illness would have been different to the injections she was having,which to my mind Sheila was suffering badly with the side-effects from it as that which is given for a certain condition can create something else,such as suicide and or violence if the wrong stuff is administered.

The illness can,and does happen to anyone and thankfully people are more aware of it but sadly there aren't the resources  for visits beyond the 6 week post-natal visit and those who suffer in silence fall through the net.

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Given all information on Sheila's mental health being withheld,Jeremy is in his right to fight for another appeal.

[Romeo]

I would have even challenged Dr Ferguson about his diagnosis of schizophrenia with Sheila. My reckoning would have been that she'd suffered post-partum psychosis after the twins were born. This can happen within hours of giving birth and if left untreated can create all sorts of other problems.
It's a condition that wouldn't have been as widely known or heard of when the twins were born and just looked upon as the " norm " known as the baby blues. Well you'd have been wasting your time as Dr Ferguson stated that during Sheila's first admission she was diagnosed with a schizo - affective disorder ...as you suggest....because although the feelings she expressed were 'clear symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia ', there appeared to be less mood disturbances with her ideas, Dr Ferguson later stated that the first diagnosis was mistaken, declaring himself firmly convinced that she suffered from paranoid schizophrenia

With this illness,there are similar symptoms to schizophrenia such as seeing/hearing things that aren't there,delusions and hallucinations,as mentioned. Memory loss is common when even family members aren't recognised,nobody appears to be " real " in their lives. That's why Sheila loved her father and twin sons unconditionally
I think about the photograph of the twins which had been torn in half.Was it that she didn't recognise them at the time ? Or could it have been JB who sorted out all the photos in Sheila's flat before Colin arrived. Plus keeping Sheila's portfolio to sell at a later date?
Medication for this particular illness would have been different to the injections she was having,which to my mind Sheila was suffering badly with the side-effects from it as that which is given for a certain condition can create something else,such as suicide and or violence if the wrong stuff is administered.
Sheila was suffered from the side-affects of her Schizophrenia drugs, which is why she asked for them to be reduced.
The illness can,and does happen to anyone and thankfully people are more aware of it but sadly there aren't the resources  for visits beyond the 6 week post-natal visit and those who suffer in silence fall through the net.

Yes, it is really sad for people who suffer from post-partum psychosis.....Sheila didn't!

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Yes, it is really sad for people who suffer from post-partum psychosis.....Sheila didn't!

And you would know that ?

The " torn in half " photograph was that of the twins and not from Sheila's portfolio.

The side-effects that Sheila suffered were from the Haldol,hence she'd requested a reduction in volume.

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And you would know thandt ? A you would know Sheila was suffering from Post Partum Psychosis, and even ready to challenge the Doctor..

The " torn in half " photograph was that of the twins and not from Sheila's portfolio. The torn photo of the twins was found in Sheila's London flat. It was JB who collected all the family photos whilst taking other things for auction. I said...."PLUS Sheila's portfolio!

The side-effects that Sheila suffered were from the Haldol,hence she'd requested a reduction in volume.

  Yes, Haloperidol is used for schizophrenia.... the strength was reduced because Sheila felt it was too strong a dose. Hence her appearance and reactions just before the murders.

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Given all information on Sheila's mental health being withheld,Jeremy is in his right to fight for another appeal.

I had to admit not knowing anything about postpartum psychosis, and some of the symptoms do seem to fit Sheila down to a tee:

Delusions – false beliefs that are firmly held, sometimes related to the baby, such as it is ‘sent from God’, or is ‘evil’ in some way. Delusions, such as that the mother has won the Lottery, that the TV or radio are referring to her, or that she has special healing powers, are not uncommon.

A lack of insight - a woman experiencing this condition may be unaware that her behaviour is odd in any way. Very often it will be other people who notice that she is behaving oddly and is not well.

The most severe symptoms tend to last two to 12 weeks and mothers will usually remain in hospital throughout that time. The vast majority of women will recover fully. However, postpartum psychosis is often followed by a period of depression, anxiety, and low social confidence.

However I don't think she was in that state the last week at White House Farm. I still think she was suffering from schizophrenia though am unsure as to the overlap between the two illnesses.

https://www.nct.org.uk/parenting/what-postpartum-psychosis

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Steve,I remain convinced that Sheila had had PPP. Because the condition hadn't been diagnosed and instead schizophrenia had,her medication would have been different too. Also,to have had the illness for 6+ years would have required a more lengthy stay in hospital and most certainly adjustments made in her medication.
Although the Haldol had been reduced, it would have meant also reducing the doses of her other medication to counterbalance the side-effects ,but I don't remember reading about that. However,when a patient takes such a high dose injection of Haldol which Sheila was originally prescribed,it tells me that the patient was/is " severely " ill,otherwise why prescribe such a high dose ? Yet Dr Ferguson had insisted that nobody had been in any danger ? That being the case,why the high dose ? What wasn't he saying as opposed to what he did say ? I just believe that the Haldol exacerbated the condition that Sheila originally had. It's a dangerous drug when administered for the wrong reasons.

Sheila had anxieties as well as low social confidence,which was probably why she took cocaine at parties to give her that confidence.