Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Stephanie]

It's not difficult to work out.

The police by their own lack of communication gave Ann Eaton and Rober Boultflour false information about the crime. This exact same false information Julie claims Jeremy told her in his "detailed confession" Now had Jeremy actually confessed like she claims the information would match the crime scene as he is the supposed killer, but instead she gives the same false information the police told the relatives. Thus Jeremy did not and could not have told her anything it could only have come from the relatives or the police.

Do you get what I am saying?

You are wrong David. This has already been pointed out to you but for some reason you are choosing to ignore this fact?

[lookout]

Bamber wasn't unlucky, he phoned JM in order to somehow implicate her in order to attempt of protect himself. He probably wanted to gloat.

This is the thinking of one who finds him guilty. It doesn't answer any questions,only your own justifications.

[David1819]

You are wrong David. This has already been pointed out to you but for some reason you are choosing to ignore this fact?

No I am not. The statements speak for themselves. To say Jeremy somehow gave Julie the same false information the police gave the relatives and the same information written in RWBs diary weeks before hand defies logic! the odds of Julie being truthful by Jeremy somehow matching all those variables deliberately are astronomically thin.

[Jane]

Steve,Jeremy appeared to me to have been a hapless person in any situation let alone one in which his father had phoned about,so he obviously rang the person who was closest to him at the time,and who he'd thought would advise. He was wrong though wasn't he ?

Surely, calling 999 was the place to go for advice.

[Steve_uk]

It's not difficult to work out.

The police by their own lack of communication gave Ann Eaton and Rober Boultflour false information about the crime. This exact same false information Julie claims Jeremy told her in his "detailed confession" Now had Jeremy actually confessed like she claims the information would match the crime scene as he is the supposed killer, but instead she gives the same false information the police told the relatives. Thus Jeremy did not and could not have told her anything it could only have come from the relatives or the police.

Do you get what I am saying?

No not really. You're selecting a few pieces of information from a detailed statement of twenty pages, which represents the flow of Julie's association with Jeremy for almost two years. The Raid Team could have found Sheila on the bed and moved her to the floor to perform CPR, which would explain some of Mike's thesis, or Julie could simply have been mistaken in the maelstrom of those few days. The purpose of Jeremy's confession anyway was to exculpate himself from any reprobation from Julie's part and not to incriminate himself when he was set on a new life away from the Farm.

[Stephanie]

"The term projection stems from psychodynamic psychology and refers to one of the automatic mental behaviors conceptualized by traditional theorists as ego defense mechanisms. The rationale behind that notion is that sometimes individuals unconsciously “project” onto others motivations, intentions, or actions that they actually harbor themselves but which they would feel far too unnerved or guilty about to acknowledge as their own.http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/02/27/blame-game/

I see David's ego defence mechanism at play.

[David1819]

"The term projection stems from psychodynamic psychology and refers to one of the automatic mental behaviors conceptualized by traditional theorists as ego defense mechanisms. The rationale behind that notion is that sometimes individuals unconsciously “project” onto others motivations, intentions, or actions that they actually harbor themselves but which they would feel far too unnerved or guilty about to acknowledge as their own.http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/02/27/blame-game/

I see David's ego defence mechanism at play.

You see all kinds of things that aren't happening in reality 

[David1819]

No not really. You're selecting a few pieces of information from a detailed statement of twenty pages, which represents the flow of Julie's association with Jeremy for almost two years. The Raid Team could have found Sheila on the bed and moved her to the floor to perform CPR, which would explain some of Mike's thesis, or Julie could simply have been mistaken in the maelstrom of those few days. The purpose of Jeremy's confession anyway was to exculpate himself from any reprobation from Julie's part and not to incriminate himself when he was set on a new life away from the Farm.

Don't even go there Steve. Sheila was never on the bed hence Sheila's blood was on the floor not on the bed. And why perform CPR on someone completely dead? I know Essex police made clowns of themselves but they are not that daft.

[Adam]

Disadvantages of Julie lying to the police if Bamber was innocent:

There was no evidence against Bamber. He was innocent.

She would be charged by the police. When caught lying.

Having a criminal record may effect her teaching career.

To make Bamber look bad, she had to implicate herself in the caravan break in. Effecting her teaching career ?

Her own 1984 crime may come to light. Effecting her teaching career ?

There was no financial reward in approaching the police.

It shows she was upset about splitting up with Bamber.

She would be on her own. No other witnesses could support her claims.

Bamber would have the last laugh. When Julie was exposed.

She would have to follow through her approach. Right through to the ultimate (unlikely) conviction. Lying to the world.

It would show she was vindictive. Once exposed.

She may quickly wilt under pressure.  This is something she had never attempted before, and a massive long term lie. So why bother in the first place ?

It would show she had no sympathy for a grieving man. Once exposed.

It would show how upset she was that she was no longer with Bamber. Once exposed.

It would show she was stupid. Once exposed.

An approach may ultimately be time consuming. Depending on her success. Taking up months or years of her life. Effecting her second degree and teaching career.

It would be her word against Bamber's. For the last month the police had treated it as murder/suicide, which was correct as she knew he was innocent.

She will not know the details of the forensic evidence. It may show Sheila was the killer. Which would not be surprising as Bamber was innocent.

It would be bringing other people into this, such the deceased grieving relatives and her own friends and relatives.

She may feel bad after her initial approach. But is coming clean now an option ?

She had already given a WS and gone around with Bamber for one month. The police will know she had approached them after she split with Bamber.

She was attempting to reverse a decision announced in the media, which the police were in public sticking to - murder/suicide. One month after the massacre.

Her approach may only last a few minutes. Experienced police officers may dismiss it, after all Bamber was innocent. Bamber may not even find out about Julie's attempt for revenge.

If an unsuccessful police approach  became news in the media, she would forever be looked upon as a heartless and lying woman. Friends and relatives may desert her.

[Jane]

You see all kinds of things that aren't happening in reality 

Others are in a better position to judge of what they see in us, than are we. Whatever words we say, our actions m ay tell an entirely different story.

[Stephanie]

You see all kinds of things that aren't happening in reality 

You see when you revert to tactics like this David you only serve to make your arguments weaker. It's not my reality that's in question is it - it's yours!

[Adam]

The reason for Julie putting herself in an impossible situation ( Bamber apparently jilted her) is barely a reason at all.

She didn't lie. It's as simple as that.

David has come up with a theory that no one else has come up with, that Julie, RB and the police all worked together. No one is going along with it.

[lookout]

Don't even go there Steve. Sheila was never on the bed hence Sheila's blood was on the floor not on the bed. And why perform CPR on someone completely dead? I know Essex police made clowns of themselves but they are not that daft.

Where on the floor was Sheila's blood ? It was only June's which was found on the floor/Bible/sewing room.

[Steve_uk]

Don't even go there Steve. Sheila was never on the bed hence Sheila's blood was on the floor not on the bed. And why perform CPR on someone completely dead? I know Essex police made clowns of themselves but they are not that daft.

I know what you're saying, but Jeremy could just have easily repeated the tale which was circulating on that first morning at Goldhanger, content with any version which did not incriminate himself.

[David1819]

You see when you revert to tactics like this David you only serve to make your arguments weaker. It's not my reality that's in question is it - it's yours!

Hardly, Your armchair psychoanalysis is rather illogical and baseless