Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Caroline]

is that the one who did not meet with him?

How do yo know he didn't meet him?

[Steve_uk]

Nevill was sent away to school at a young age, I would imagine it's what people of his social standing did. He no doubt believed it made a man of him. 
I can't square the thought they didn't want to parent the children with the fact June took food up to Sheila in London every week, and they seemed to be concerned and giving support to her until they all died.

Maybe the penny had dropped that Sheila was incapable of earning a living in her own right, hence the quarterly allowance facility which she was about to draw up with Basil Cock in Sheila's favour. June may have been guilty of omission rather than deliberate intent, possibly due to the memory lapses she suffered as a side-effect of her medical treatment.

[maggie]

Maybe the penny had dropped that Sheila was incapable of earning a living in her own right, hence the quarterly allowance facility which she was about to draw up with Basil Cock in Sheila's favour. June may have been guilty of omission rather than deliberate intent, possibly due to the memory lapses she suffered as a side-effect of her medical treatment.

I'm in no position to judge June in any way, We know little or nothing about her apart from second hand gossip which may or not be true.
I would guess June was not particularly into psychoanalysis and had been brought up to believe in stoicism and fire and brimstone rather than tenderness and compassion however that doesn't mean she wasn't a good woman or she didn't love her children, she possibly just found it hard to show them.

[Steve_uk]

I'm in no position to judge June in any way, We know little or nothing about her apart from second hand gossip which may or not be true.
I would guess June was not particularly into psychoanalysis and had been brought up to believe in stoicism and fire and brimstone rather than tenderness and compassion however that doesn't mean she wasn't a good woman or she didn't love her children, she possibly just found it hard to show them.

She did interfere, however, with the lives of Sheila,Jeremy, Colin and the twins and seemed to have free entrance to Moreshead Mansions whenever it suited. She must have had a guilty conscience,hence the heartfelt letter to be opened after her death which contained an apology of sorts, yet was too little too late to save the family from its fate.

[maggie]

She did interfere, however, with the lives of Sheila,Jeremy, Colin and the twins and seemed to have free entrance to Moreshead Mansions whenever it suited. She must have had a guilty conscience,hence the heartfelt letter to be opened after her death which contained an apology of sorts, yet was too little too late to save the family from its fate.

Many mothers can be accused of 'interfering' by their children rightly or wrongly but in their eyes they are 'helping' and mean well, however annoying they may be. .

June was Sheila's mother so why would she not be allowed free access, especially when bearing food and money to pay the bills?

Yes, June may have known she was overbearing and judgemental but the fact she wrote such a letter shows her love for her children in spite of her mistakes and an awareness of her own shortcomings.

It is rather touching imo but who am I to judge, I wasn't there.

[Caroline]

Many mothers can be accused of 'interfering' by their children rightly or wrongly but in their eyes they are 'helping' and mean well, however annoying they may be. .

June was Sheila's mother so why would she not be allowed free access, especially when bearing food and money to pay the bills?

Yes, June may have known she was overbearing and judgemental but the fact she wrote such a letter shows her love for her children in spite of her mistakes and an awareness of her own shortcomings.

It is rather touching imo but who am I to judge, I wasn't there.

I agree Maggie and I think their relationship was far more complex - I don't think Sheila hated June at all!

[Jane]

I agree Maggie and I think their relationship was far more complex - I don't think Sheila hated June at all!

I would say it was far MORE likely that Sheila was desperate to know June's approval and love and may have felt that it was because of her own errors in life that June withheld these from her. Children rarely give up on trying to win parental affection, however old they are.

[Steve_uk]

Does anyone believe in mediums or spirits? I read a story today about some ghost under a Christmas tree at a pub in Newcastle. It took me back to Betty Shine and her session with Colin. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=df8DFyoWfPkC&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=colin+caffell+betty+shine&source=bl&ots=-68WkjHxRv&sig=GHfF-q8bcsenyx4k3pr4d0pMVEI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTmI_ChenJAhXFXhoKHTvjA2AQ6AEIJDAC#v=onepage&q=colin%20caffell%20betty%20shine&f=false

[David1819]

Does anyone believe in mediums or spirits?

100% No

[lookout]

What ?? They're for the troubled minds of the troubled souls.Better going to a counsellor.
 Or those with guilty consciences !!

[Caroline]

Does anyone believe in mediums or spirits? I read a story today about some ghost under a Christmas tree at a pub in Newcastle. It took me back to Betty Shine and her session with Colin. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=df8DFyoWfPkC&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=colin+caffell+betty+shine&source=bl&ots=-68WkjHxRv&sig=GHfF-q8bcsenyx4k3pr4d0pMVEI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTmI_ChenJAhXFXhoKHTvjA2AQ6AEIJDAC#v=onepage&q=colin%20caffell%20betty%20shine&f=false

I've never heard that story about the tree but the only spirits under Newcastle pub Christmas trees have been consumed to unconsciousness  . I went to see a medium a few years about, he tried to generalise but was wrong on EVERY point. He tried to grab back some credibility by telling me my uncle 'John' was with him - most people might have an uncle John - I don't!! This guy was quite well respected locally and his house was huge, all don't through his work (lose the term loosely) as a medium. On the way home, the women I went with were full of how great he was but because they wanted him to be genuine, they were giving him 'hints' - I could hear them. They may help some people, but for the wrong reasons. I would be interested to see one who doesn't ask for payment - they may simply be deluded but if financial gain isn't ther motive .....

[Steve_uk]

"It's given me a chance to be a dad in a different way."

Colin, ever the optimist and altruist as he put the needs of others before himself. I cannot help but feel the stark contrast between him and the man who slayed his sons for no other reason than to make the estate tidier to manage, and as both individuals reassess the situation thirty years on it is surely Colin who has made the most progress on life's journey and remains most at ease with himself. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/double-vision-aids-memories-of-pain-1143577.html

[Steve_uk]

What will the money be spent on?

All money will go to engage legal services not covered by pro-bono arrangement, ad-hoc forensic work or any legal advice to do with Jeremy’s imprisonment. Additional funds will also be appropriated where necessary for purchase of merchandise to be sold in the proposed Jeremy Bamber store, in order to maintain the wider aims of the Campaign in publicising Jeremy’s wrongful conviction.   The Directors and Campaign Management Team will not take any money from the fund in the form of remuneration.

The mind boggles at what you will be able to buy: a free Jeremy hat, a bumper sticker, a wristband, a cuddly toy.  Do these people really understand what they are doing and how insensitive it will be for those who wish to live the remainder of their lives in peace?

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jb-campaign-ltd-and-directors

[Steve_uk]

He won't be playing on his i-pad; he'll be amusing himself with his Gameboy instead. https://youtu.be/zvEHP5WdFvA

[lookout]

I used to have curtains exactly like those. I don't know whatever happened to them though.