Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Caroline]

If it was that Sheila was schizophrenic,then yes Haldol was crucial in suppressing attacks of psychosis,but because Sheila had a couple of attacks----------it wasn't working was it ? It was also crucial that she took other medication/s to counteract the side-effects of the Haldol,along with the anti-depressants that she should have been taking.
Her response to any of the medications clearly meant that they needed changing to which she was never followed up about.

She had the attacks BEFORE she had her medication injected.

[Caroline]

There's so much conflicting evidence:

"I am aware that Sheila,her two sons and her parents have been found dead in Essex, and that it is suggested that Sheila killed her family and committed suicide. In hindsight I believe that Sheila would have relapsed into a state of acute psychosis, probably having a firmly held belief or delusion involving concepts of good and evil, and certainly paranoid,possibly involving her mother. Sheila is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy, although in my experience with her there has never been any issue of threats or violence towards her family." Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 08/08/1985

"I would like to add that if Sheila had been over-sedated she would have been vacant, difficult to converse with, and it is possible she would have slept quite soundly and deeply but this is not absolutely certain. I would say that her whole physical performance would be reduced."

Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 18/09/1985

This second statement does seem to tally with Sheila's behaviour that final week: her demeanour at Colin's party and during the ride down to the Farm, her lackadaisical attitude and vacant stare at the shop in Tiptree and round the kitchen table that final evening.

To be fair, the doctor is simply trying to give an opinion about what is likely to have happened with the information that she had killed 4 people and herself. He also expresses at the end of the first statement that she had never expressed threats towards her family - which is more than can be said for Jeremy. The statement reads as though he is surprised by the knowledge.

[lebaleb]

There's so much conflicting evidence:

"I am aware that Sheila,her two sons and her parents have been found dead in Essex, and that it is suggested that Sheila killed her family and committed suicide. In hindsight I believe that Sheila would have relapsed into a state of acute psychosis, probably having a firmly held belief or delusion involving concepts of good and evil, and certainly paranoid,possibly involving her mother. Sheila is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy, although in my experience with her there has never been any issue of threats or violence towards her family." Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 08/08/1985



"I would like to add that if Sheila had been over-sedated she would have been vacant, difficult to converse with, and it is possible she would have slept quite soundly and deeply but this is not absolutely certain. I would say that her whole physical performance would be reduced."

Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 18/09/1985

This second statement does seem to tally with Sheila's behaviour that final week: her demeanour at Colin's party and during the ride down to the Farm, her lackadaisical attitude and vacant stare at the shop in Tiptree and round the kitchen table that final evening.

Sheila's behavior also tallies with first phase of psychotic episode.

[lebaleb]

You can pretend she wasn't medicated but she most certainly was.

Medication may reduce the chance of relapse but it doesn't eliminate it.

[Caroline]

Medication may reduce the chance of relapse but it doesn't eliminate it.

It makes it LESS likely and she was showing side effect signs from the drug.

[lookout]

It makes it LESS likely and she was showing side effect signs from the drug.

"Side effect signs from the drug"-------------look it up.

Difficulty in sleeping.
Restlessness.
Agitation.
Mood changes.
Anxiety.
Blank expression.

[Caroline]

"Side effect signs from the drug"-------------look it up.

Difficulty in sleeping.
Restlessness.
Agitation.
Mood changes.
Anxiety.
Blank expression.

And? Every drug has a list of side effects - some people may experience one or two of them, rarely does anyone get the lot. Here is another list that you can cherry pick from 

http://www.medicinenet.com/haloperidol-injection/page3.htm

[lookout]

And probably withdrawal symptoms from lack of cannabis. That alone sends some people crazy.

[Jane]

And probably withdrawal symptoms from lack of cannabis. That alone sends some people crazy.

Given that you seem to think cannabis had already withered her brain, it's amazing that A) it hadn't got to her earlier and B) only trace elements of it were found at autopsy. To suggest she was "PROBABLY (experiencing) withdrawal symptoms from lack of" it is tantamount to saying she was addicted, something of which there is no evidence.

[Steve_uk]

Sheila's behavior also tallies with first phase of psychotic episode.

To do away with June might be feasible,but I feel disquieted about her ability to kill the whole family.

[Alias]

Both boys begged Colin not to go away that last night.

[Alias]

Why? Because of Jeremy? Or Sheila?

[David1819]

To do away with June might be feasible,but I feel disquieted about her ability to kill the whole family.

Why? Its possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

[Alias]

Why? Its possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

Sad case, Andrea Yates was very ill. I am so sad to say that those murders happened on my birthday. Five little children died, I will never forget that!

[Alias]

Noah Jacob, John Samuel, Paul Abraham, Luke David, Mary Deborah.