Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[lookout]

Just because you read it, doesn't make it a fact.

 So how do you think you learn anything if not by reading ? Try reading about the long-term effects of cannabis before professing to know it all by just your own thoughts.

[guest154]

Trace or not of cannabis,the damage had already been done through her having taken it to start with while her mind was already unbalanced.

That may be your truth, but it's not THE truth is it? If the week before her next injection meant that symptoms would be returning then the medical profession would have a shorter time between injections, but they don't - because they are not needed. The final week isn't a downhill slide isn't a decline into hell. 

[lookout]

That may be your truth, but it's not THE truth is it? If the week before her next injection meant that symptoms would be returning then the medical profession would have a shorter time between injections, but they don't - because they are not needed. The final week isn't a downhill slide isn't a decline into hell.

 Sheila would only have been written up for one injection a month as staff relied on her taking her anti-depressives along with the medication which counteracted the side-effects from the  Haldol. The staff weren't to know that she'd stopped taking them--------as proved in her blood-test.
Nobody knows when Sheila stopped taking her medication as it was obviously beyond 72 hours because of it not showing up.

[Jane]

 Sheila would only have been written up for one injection a month as staff relied on her taking her anti-depressives along with the medication which counteracted the side-effects from the  Haldol. The staff weren't to know that she'd stopped taking them--------as proved in her blood-test.
Nobody knows when Sheila stopped taking her medication as it was obviously beyond 72 hours because of it not showing up.

I can only imagine, from what you've said, that Haldol was considered to be CRUCIAL. The rest, apparently weren't -people responding differently to them- OR they'd have been delivered in the same way.

[lookout]

I can only imagine, from what you've said, that Haldol was considered to be CRUCIAL. The rest, apparently weren't -people responding differently to them- OR they'd have been delivered in the same way.

If it was that Sheila was schizophrenic,then yes Haldol was crucial in suppressing attacks of psychosis,but because Sheila had a couple of attacks----------it wasn't working was it ? It was also crucial that she took other medication/s to counteract the side-effects of the Haldol,along with the anti-depressants that she should have been taking.
Her response to any of the medications clearly meant that they needed changing to which she was never followed up about.

[Jane]

If it was that Sheila was schizophrenic,then yes Haldol was crucial in suppressing attacks of psychosis,but because Sheila had a couple of attacks----------it wasn't working was it ? It was also crucial that she took other medication/s to counteract the side-effects of the Haldol,along with the anti-depressants that she should have been taking.
Her response to any of the medications clearly meant that they needed changing to which she was never followed up about.

From where are you getting this information, Lookout? She had a breakdown -her first- in 1983 and was hospitalized and medicated. She failed to take the medication regularly, resulting in another breakdown and re-admission to hospital in 1985 when it was decided to deliver her CRUCIAL meds intravenously rather than rely on her to take them orally. If it had been equally crucial that her other meds were taken, they, too, would have been given intravenously. The dosage of Haldol was reduced, at her last visit to her doctor, by own request because she complained of drowsiness. Had she not been killed, she would presumably have discussed, on her next visit, how she'd coped with the reduction.

[lookout]

From where are you getting this information, Lookout? She had a breakdown -her first- in 1983 and was hospitalized and medicated. She failed to take the medication regularly, resulting in another breakdown and re-admission to hospital in 1985 when it was decided to deliver her CRUCIAL meds intravenously rather than rely on her to take them orally. If it had been equally crucial that her other meds were taken, they, too, would have been given intravenously. The dosage of Haldol was reduced, at her last visit to her doctor, by own request because she complained of drowsiness. Had she not been killed, she would presumably have discussed, on her next visit, how she'd coped with the reduction.

It's evident how she coped with her reduction !!

[Jane]

It's evident how she coped with her reduction !!

Only to you, given how you've managed to twist the information to make your theory stand up.

[guest154]

It's evident how she coped with her reduction !!

In your opinion, Lookout. But those who have spoken about Sheila at that time certainly don't back up anything that you claim. With the butchers you made reading Junes autopsy I don't hold much thought for your opinion on medical grounds.

[lookout]

In your opinion, Lookout. But those who have spoken about Sheila at that time certainly don't back up anything that you claim.






With the butchers you made reading Junes autopsy I don't hold much thought for your opinion on medical grounds.

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[Steve_uk]

There's so much conflicting evidence:

"I am aware that Sheila,her two sons and her parents have been found dead in Essex, and that it is suggested that Sheila killed her family and committed suicide. In hindsight I believe that Sheila would have relapsed into a state of acute psychosis, probably having a firmly held belief or delusion involving concepts of good and evil, and certainly paranoid,possibly involving her mother. Sheila is likely to have been in a disturbed psychotic state at the time of the tragedy, although in my experience with her there has never been any issue of threats or violence towards her family." Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 08/08/1985

"I would like to add that if Sheila had been over-sedated she would have been vacant, difficult to converse with, and it is possible she would have slept quite soundly and deeply but this is not absolutely certain. I would say that her whole physical performance would be reduced."

Statement Dr Hugh Cameron Ferguson 18/09/1985

This second statement does seem to tally with Sheila's behaviour that final week: her demeanour at Colin's party and during the ride down to the Farm, her lackadaisical attitude and vacant stare at the shop in Tiptree and round the kitchen table that final evening.

[lookout]

Conflicting evidence,Steve ? There's heaps of it at every turn and it doesn't bode well for a fair trial. A lot of it came about well after Jeremy was imprisoned.

[Steve_uk]

We do know Jeremy has been unpredictable in the past,to say the least. Are you really saying that Jeremy has earned the right to windsurf in the Atlantic and sunbathe on Porthchapel Beach,whilst Colin,his wife and daughter are picnicking a few yards away..

Should Jeremy be home for Christmas, if he can find a home to go to. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/622803/prison-lifers-prisoners-allowed-to-leave-for-Christmas-Philip-Davies-Andrew-Selous

[Steve_uk]

Conflicting evidence,Steve ? There's heaps of it at every turn and it doesn't bode well for a fair trial. A lot of it came about well after Jeremy was imprisoned.

Parts of the evidence are not "beyond reasonable doubt" admittedly, but I think the cumulative effect of so many witnesses told against Jeremy.

[lookout]

Parts of the evidence are not "beyond reasonable doubt" admittedly, but I think the cumulative effect of so many witnesses told against Jeremy.

It's not surprising seeing that EP did a sweep on the village knocking on doors and telling the inhabitants that he'd murdered two little boys. It's not difficult to obtain witnesses in that way.