Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

Cannot disagree with that Steve, think it says it all.

I like the style of Colin's book,which is a much deeper read than anyone would first think. I'm just wondering about some of the conclusions,especially the environmental factors,when(say) a child brought up on a rough estate in Salford might think that Sheila and Jeremy had an idyllic background. I also wonder about Sheila's deterioration when in June 1985 she made the remark: "All people are bad and should be killed",suggesting that her bonds to Granny Speakman and Aunty Pam were not as strong as may have been previously thought.

[maggie]

I like the style of Colin's book,which is a much deeper read than anyone would first think. I'm just wondering about some of the conclusions,especially the environmental factors,when(say) a child brought up on a rough estate in Salford might think that Sheila and Jeremy had an idyllic background. I also wonder about Sheila's deterioration when in June 1985 she made the remark: "All people are bad and should be killed",suggesting that her bonds to Granny Speakman and Aunty Pam were not as strong as may have been previously thought.

I started reading it but life has taken over and I will try to get back to it, It is obviously deeply personal and deserves respect.

[Steve_uk]

I started reading it but life has taken over and I will try to get back to it, It is obviously deeply personal and deserves respect.

Yes it does,and we have discussed it before on egap1's book review thread. The remark made by Sheila "all people are bad and should be killed" appears only in Carol Ann Lee's book if my memory serves me right,and was reported by Barbara Wilson as she sat round the kitchen table with her and June. Caroline started a thread on it.

[Jane]

I like the style of Colin's book,which is a much deeper read than anyone would first think. I'm just wondering about some of the conclusions,especially the environmental factors,when(say) a child brought up on a rough estate in Salford might think that Sheila and Jeremy had an idyllic background. I also wonder about Sheila's deterioration when in June 1985 she made the remark: "All people are bad and should be killed",suggesting that her bonds to Granny Speakman and Aunty Pam were not as strong as may have been previously thought.

Steve, the first may be about the belief that the grass is always greener on the other side. As for the second, maybe it was a mark of how stifled and repressed Sheila felt.

[lookout]

Stifled and repressed enough to kill ! Sheila became like a coiled spring. Not necessarily because it was claimed she was schizophrenic or hadn't taken her " appropriate " medication,but  because enough was enough as far as she was concerned and Lord knows she threw out enough hints for what was to come.

[Caroline]

Stifled and repressed enough to kill ! Sheila became like a coiled spring. Not necessarily because it was claimed she was schizophrenic or hadn't taken her " appropriate " medication,but  because enough was enough as far as she was concerned and Lord knows she threw out enough hints for what was to come.

You can pretend she wasn't medicated but she most certainly was.

[lookout]

You can pretend she wasn't medicated but she most certainly was.

Sheila had less than a week to go before her next " greatly-reduced " dose of Haldol,to which she was functioning well enough to have gained control of her faculties.No other prescribed drug was ever found in her system which tells me that she had gone over 72 hours without a calminative or anything that would have reduced the effects of the Haldol.
Withdrawal effects from the omissions of her vital drugs and the cannabis would have been felt,hence the disasterous events that took place.

[Caroline]

Sheila had less than a week to go before her next " greatly-reduced " dose of Haldol,to which she was functioning well enough to have gained control of her faculties.No other prescribed drug was ever found in her system which tells me that she had gone over 72 hours without a calminative or anything that would have reduced the effects of the Haldol.
Withdrawal effects from the omissions of her vital drugs and the cannabis would have been felt,hence the disasterous events that took place.

Lookout having been a nurse, you know fine well that the drug doesn't run down like a sand timer and she was behaving in accordance with the drug side effects which SHOWS it was working. The Haldol was her anti-psychosis medication and she only had TRACE amounts of cannabis in her system - probably smoked at the party on the Saturday night.

[Jane]

Sheila had less than a week to go before her next " greatly-reduced " dose of Haldol,to which she was functioning well enough to have gained control of her faculties.No other prescribed drug was ever found in her system which tells me that she had gone over 72 hours without a calminative or anything that would have reduced the effects of the Haldol.
Withdrawal effects from the omissions of her vital drugs and the cannabis would have been felt,hence the disasterous events that took place.

That makes just about as much sense as saying there's a higher chance of becoming pregnant the week prior to the next contraceptive injection being due OR during the last few days of taking the contraceptive pill.

[lookout]

Lookout having been a nurse, you know fine well that the drug doesn't run down like a sand timer and she was behaving in accordance with the drug side effects which SHOWS it was working. The Haldol was her anti-psychosis medication and she only had TRACE amounts of cannabis in her system - probably smoked at the party on the Saturday night.

Yes and I also know that if medication isn't taken that previous symptoms return with a vengeance.

[Jane]

Lookout having been a nurse, you know fine well that the drug doesn't run down like a sand timer and she was behaving in accordance with the drug side effects which SHOWS it was working. The Haldol was her anti-psychosis medication and she only had TRACE amounts of cannabis in her system - probably smoked at the party on the Saturday night.

You may have had an argument there HAD she been found with a gut full of cannabis in her system. I believe there were trace amounts found.

[lookout]

You may have had an argument there HAD she been found with a gut full of cannabis in her system. I believe there were trace amounts found.

Trace or not of cannabis,the damage had already been done through her having taken it to start with while her mind was already unbalanced.

[Caroline]

Trace or not of cannabis,the damage had already been done through her having taken it to start with while her mind was already unbalanced.

You keep telling yourself that but it's not true Lookout.

[lookout]

You keep telling yourself that but it's not true Lookout.

I don't tell myself at all. I read about it yonks ago. Sheila had used the stuff heavily during the 12 months leading up to the tragedy.

[Caroline]

I don't tell myself at all. I read about it yonks ago. Sheila had used the stuff heavily during the 12 months leading up to the tragedy.

Just because you read it, doesn't make it a fact.