Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

Does anyone know anything about Chris Precious, purportedly a friend of Sheila's? http://www.dover-express.co.uk/wicked-killer-life-mean-life/story-19542418-detail/story.html

[Jane]

Have never previously heard of him, Steve.

[lookout]

The danger which weakened Jeremy's chances was lumping him with those other two murderers at the court of human rights. The other danger was in sending him to the toughest and most notorious prison on the map.

[Steve_uk]

The danger which weakened Jeremy's chances was lumping him with those other two murderers at the court of human rights. The other danger was in sending him to the toughest and most notorious prison on the map.

Of course if you believe Jeremy is innocent(and you have every right) you will think that way. My mind turned to Jeremy's assertion to Julie that his parents had "forfeited the right to live" in the way they had treated him. Is Jeremy holding back in some way because all we hear from the prison cell is what a wonderful childhood he experienced. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861029&id=HoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3862,7291634&hl=en

[Jane]

The danger which weakened Jeremy's chances was lumping him with those other two murderers at the court of human rights. The other danger was in sending him to the toughest and most notorious prison on the map.

Where else would be the appropriate place for someone found guilty of murdering 3 adults and 2 children?

[lookout]

Of course if you believe Jeremy is innocent(and you have every right) you will think that way. My mind turned to Jeremy's assertion to Julie that his parents had "forfeited the right to live" in the way they had treated him. Is Jeremy holding back in some way because all we hear from the prison cell is what a wonderful childhood he experienced. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861029&id=HoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3862,7291634&hl=en

Steve it's not my place to dispute the fact that Jeremy enjoyed his childhood as I wasn't there to witness it. However,it doesn't stop me from imagining that it was probably idyllic.

[Jane]

Steve it's not my place to dispute the fact that Jeremy enjoyed his childhood as I wasn't there to witness it. However,it doesn't stop me from imagining that it was probably idyllic.

I can't believe you've said that, Lookout. You've been a lot harder on June's ability as a mother than many of us.

[Steve_uk]

I can't believe you've said that, Lookout. You've been a lot harder on June's ability as a mother than many of us.

But had Nevill and June "forfeited the right to live" however badly they had treated their son?

[Jane]

But had Nevill and June "forfeited the right to live" however badly they had treated their son?

Steve, we abolished the death penalty so no one owns the right to say another's live is forfeit.I think the worst that can be said of his childhood was that it was emotionally impoverished, which is hard on any child but probably worse for those who are adopted, but of course, I'm not factoring in sibling rivalry and a possible feeling of being in the wrong place.

[guest154]

But had Nevill and June "forfeited the right to live" however badly they had treated their son?

Of course not. Neither deserved to die for Jeremy's PERCEIVED bad treatment, although this isn't why he killed them - he killed them for the money - I'm sure his negative feelings made going through with the crime easier but it wasn't the motive.

[lookout]

I can't believe you've said that, Lookout. You've been a lot harder on June's ability as a mother than many of us.

And ?-----------it doesn't mean to say that the children didn't enjoy themselves. They didn't know any different !

[Steve_uk]

I know murder is rare and killing one's parents even rarer. The parents must mean nothing to their child for it to pursue this course,with no redeeming feature or family anecdote to recall. I'm thinking now of David Bain,who like Jeremy volunteered no information about family life during Police interrogation. It's as if they have divorced themselves of all feeling(whether by stimulants with Jeremy or trance with David) and see the slaughter as a means to an end,under which their current perceived predicament is assuaged.

How anybody can continue to live with those deaths on their conscience I cannot begin to fathom,let alone string people like Trudi Benjamin,Poppy Meze and others along.

[guest154]

I know murder is rare and killing one's parents even rarer. The parents must mean nothing to their child for it to pursue this course,with no redeeming feature or family anecdote to recall. I'm thinking now of David Bain,who like Jeremy volunteered no information about family life during Police interrogation. It's as if they have divorced themselves of all feeling(whether by stimulants with Jeremy or trance with David) and see the slaughter as a means to an end,under which their current perceived predicament is assuaged.

How anybody can continue to live with those deaths on their conscience I cannot begin to fathom,let alone string people like Trudi Benjamin,Poppy Meze and others along.

Good points actually, Steve, especially the Bain comments.

[Steve_uk]

Moving forward: a possible scenario:

1) Colin is brought to Wakefield Prison and Jeremy confesses his crimes to him in the presence of a neutral figure-say Terry Waite or some other man of the cloth, avoiding official channels where at all possible.

2) Jeremy is shipped off to Bastoy Prison,where his rehabilitation can start. In such an environment far from the madding crowd and the hysteria of the British press Jeremy can write a pamphlet on psychopathy,how anger grows insidiously and how to prevent further mass murder. https://youtu.be/01mTKDaKa6Q

[Jane]

Moving forward: a possible scenario:

1) Colin is brought to Wakefield Prison and Jeremy confesses his crimes to him in the presence of a neutral figure-say Terry Waite or some other man of the cloth, avoiding official channels where at all possible.

2) Jeremy is shipped off to Bastoy Prison,where his rehabilitation can start. In such an environment far from the madding crowd and the hysteria of the British press Jeremy can write a pamphlet on psychopathy,how anger grows insidiously and how to prevent further mass murder. https://youtu.be/01mTKDaKa6Q

Steve, I suspect that pigs may levitate before it happens.