Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Adam]

If Jeremy is/was adamant that his father called the police,then that's good enough for me.
Remember when he was disbelieved and called a liar over the fostering when he'd mentioned that ?
Jeremy hasn't told any lies and has been up-front about everything that was asked of him. Compare his statement to others !

Bamber said Neville called him at 3.10am. Saying 11 words before the phone went dead. Neville then called the police at 3.26am and Bamber called the police at 3.36am. The police arrived at 3.48am.


What do you believe was happening at WHF  between Neville's call to Bamber and Neville's call to the police -  3.10am - 3.26am ?

How did Sheila manage to fit in everything between Neville's call to the police and the police arriving -  3.26am - 3.48am.

What do you believe Bamber was doing between receiving Neville's call and phoning the police - 3.10am - 3.36am ?

[Adam]

Jeremy is being fobbed off from every direction.Thank God for the willingness of his legal team to see this nightmare through.I personally can't think or imagine a worse position to be in when you know you're telling the truth and nobody's listening. It's an unthinkable situation that needs to happen to someone when they least expect it to know how it feels.

At least you are listening.

[Adam]

Bamber recieved Neville's call at 3.10am, then called the police at 3.36am. This is a 26 minute gap.

He said he called Julie, then looked for the number of the 5th furthest away police station. That's 5 minutes gone.

What about the other 21 minutes ?

[lookout]

Jeremy is being fobbed off from every direction.Thank God for the willingness of his legal team to see this nightmare through.I personally can't think or imagine a worse position to be in when you know you're telling the truth and nobody's listening. It's an unthinkable situation that needs to happen to someone when they least expect it to know how it feels.

Jeremy had a " right " to be listened to and heard in court------but he was never given that right,it was never even considered.
Concealments within the archives of documents/files that have remained hidden will contain multitudes of information that would have seen Jeremy walk free if these said items had been given to his defence at trial. This had been a DELIBERATE act to disadvantage Jeremy's defence,plus misleading for the jury. 

[Roch]

What do you believe was happening at WHF  between Neville's call to Bamber and Neville's call to the police -  3.10am - 3.26am ?

Probably a further escalation of events.

How did Sheila manage to fit in everything between Neville's call to the police and the police arriving -  3.26am - 3.48am.

Forgive any slowness on my part - but why would she need to 'fit everything' in to that time-frame?

[Adam]

Probably a further escalation of events.

Forgive any slowness on my part - but why would she need to 'fit everything' in to that time-frame?

'A further escalation of events' ? A touch vague.

Sheila 'had gone crazy and had got the gun'. The line went dead and Bamber could not get through. But if Neville then rang the 5th furthest away police station 16 minutes later, Sheila must have calmed down. Before going 'crazy' again. It's a pity Neville didn't take the gun off a calmed down Sheila.

[Adam]

Probably a further escalation of events.

Forgive any slowness on my part - but why would she need to 'fit everything' in to that time-frame?

Neville wouldn't call the police if Sheila had started shooting people. It's too late.

So in 22 minutes Sheila -

Fired 24 bullets. Into 3 sleeping people and one awake person. In three different locations. Both up and down stairs.

Chambered twice.

Reloaded twice.

Fought and brutally beat Neville.

Postioned Neville on top of a coal scuttle.

Burnt Neville's back.

Wrote a long suicide note.

Had a shower.

Put a nightie on.

Fetched a bible.

Read a bible.

Shot herself once.

Went downstairs and put the silencer away.

Shot herself again.

[Roch]

'A further escalation of events' ? A touch vague.

I wasn't there - so I cannot be specific regarding the exact events which took place.

Sheila 'had gone crazy and had got the gun'. The line went dead and Bamber could not get through. But if Neville then rang the 5th furthest away police station 16 minutes later, Sheila must have calmed down. Before going 'crazy' again. It's a pity Neville didn't take the gun off a calmed down Sheila.

Since you weren't there either - it's also difficult for you be realistically specific, regarding the exact flow of events.

[Roch]

Neville wouldn't call the police if Sheila had started shooting people. It's too late.

I can only try to imagine what terror Nevill may have beheld in such a desperate situation.  It is an extraordinary situation to find yourself in.  It is therefore probably difficult for outside commentators to rationalise what should or should not have took place; and in which order.

[lookout]

I can only try to imagine what terror Nevill may have beheld in such a desperate situation.  It is an extraordinary situation to find yourself in.  It is therefore probably difficult for outside commentators to rationalise what should or should not have took place; and in which order.

It doesn't really bear thinking about,even regarding Neville with past experiences during the war years. Nothing would have prepared him for what was about to happen. Nobody would------- and the matter of time would have been of no significance at any point to anyone.

[Adam]

Everyone agrees Neville would have rang the police before Sheila did any of the 13 things on my list.

Supporters have the chance to follow Sherlock and Holly and agree Neville did not phone the 5th furthest away police station. This gives Sheila 38 minutes to get everything done.  Rather than 22 minutes. Although that's still not much time.

The other option is to agree that Sheila didn't do several things she is supposed to have done. Such as have a shower, write a suicide note, get and read the bible etc.

However supporters will not make either concession.

[lookout]

F.A.O. Jim.

Are you now on the list of supporters ? Just wondering.

[Roch]

Everyone agrees Neville would have rang the police before Sheila did any of the 13 things on my list.

Supporters have the chance to follow Sherlock and Holly and agree Neville did not phone the 5th furthest away police station. This gives Sheila 38 minutes to get everything done.  Rather than 22 minutes. Although that's still not much time.

The other option is to agree that Sheila didn't do several things she is supposed to have done. Such as have a shower, write a suicide note, get and read the bible etc.

However supporters will not make either concession.

Personally, I think your rigid time restriction is somewhat misguided.  I prefer a more fluid approach to events (and the case).  I've had you on ignore for a long time - but sometimes read your posts. 

[Adam]

Personally, I think your rigid time restriction is somewhat misguided.  I prefer a more fluid approach to events (and the case).  I've had you on ignore for a long time - but sometimes read your posts.

Thanks for the goad. Bit pointless saying it unless you're trying to deflect attention from the time line. Then again you're posts are a bit pointless. Although to be fair you rarely post. So no reason to put you on ignore.

I'm going by the the undisputed times. Given by Bamber or from documents. So rigid. And correct - 3.10am, 3.26am, 3.36am and 3.48am.

The 3.36am/3.36am times are one of the same. Bamber claims it showed Neville called the 5th furthest police station. Although he didn't include this claim in his 2012 CCRC application.

[Roch]

Thanks for the goad. Bit pointless saying it. Then again you're posts are a bit pointless. Although to be fair you rarely post. So no reason to put you on ignore.

I'm going by the the undisputed times. Given by Bamber or from documents. So rigid. And correct - 3.10am, 3.26am, 3.36am and 3.48am.

The 3.36am/3.36am times are one of the same. Bamber claims it showed Neville called the 5th furthest police station. Although he didn't include this claim in his 2012 CCRC application.

There are probably a number of people on this forum who feel a large number of your incessant posts are both goading (in a nuisance sense) and pointless.  With regard to your take on the time frame,  I was referring to why Sheila is supposed to have done everything by 3.48.