Who has more rights thirty years on: Jeremy or Colin?

[Steve_uk]

Why? Its possible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

The state Sheila was found in,quite at peace,suggesting that she had recently been awoken from a state of slumber,with no beads of sweat or significant blood stains down the front of her nightie. We have discussed other cases like Andrea Yates and Lianne Smith before,but they are not comparable to this one.

[lookout]

That look of peace was sheer relief and contentment in readiness for " the other world ".

[Jane]

That look of peace was sheer relief and contentment in readiness for " the other world ".

That comment is vomit inducing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David1819]

The state Sheila was found in,quite at peace,suggesting that she had recently been awoken from a state of slumber,with no beads of sweat or significant blood stains down the front of her nightie.

Slight issue with this, June was also suddenly awoken yet found with a terrified look on her face. There is know way Shelia would "be at peach" while Jeremy was engineering her staged suicide.

We have discussed other cases like Andrea Yates and Lianne Smith before,but they are not comparable to this one.

Yes they are.

[Steve_uk]

Slight issue with this, June was also suddenly awoken yet found with a terrified look on her face. There is know way Shelia would "be at peach" while Jeremy was engineering her staged suicide.

Yes they are.

I've heard it all from Sheila returning a bloodstained silencer to the gun cupboard to burning her clothes in the Aga,ritually washing and putting on a fresh nightie,not forgetting reloading the rifle and deciding for some reason to shoot herself in the kitchen,all the while suffering from Tardive Dyskinesia..

[lookout]

That comment is vomit inducing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh dear,neuroticism setting in ? Stop being dramatic.

[Jane]

Oh dear,neuroticism setting in ? Stop being dramatic.

Stop being melodramatic.

[David1819]

I've heard it all from Sheila returning a bloodstained silencer to the gun cupboard

Silencer discovered by relatives with financial motive to secure the estate.

washing and putting on a fresh nightie,

I. Hand Swabs of Sheila Can'tII — DRH/33 / Item 17.
I have now been shown documentation which shows that the original hand swabs of Sheila Caffell were rejected by the laboratory on initial submission and that a set of hand swabs purporting to be that of Sheila Caffell were later submitted to the laboratory under a different exhibit and item number. Further, the SOCO exhibit sheets which fail to record any such resubmission. I am confident that this was not a matter of which I was ever aware. The alleged cleanliness of Sheila Caffell's hands was a key issue for the prosecution at trial. We had presented at trial a theory of ritualistic washing in the belief that the evidence presented by the prosecution in this regard was reliable. Had we known
about this issue. I cannot imagine we would not have firstly sought to exclude the evidence at trial; secondly, if admissible, pursued the matter in cross-examination and ,thirdly, instructed an expert to look at this issue more closely in the light of the rejection.

Paul Terzeon 2002

not forgetting reloading the rifle and deciding for some reason to shoot herself in the kitchen,all the while suffering from Tardive Dyskinesia..

None of this happened and it does not need to for Shelia to have done it, The pathologist agreed Shelia could have shot herself twice,

[Jane]

Silencer discovered by relatives with financial motive to secure the estate.


I. Hand Swabs of Sheila Can'tII — DRH/33 / Item 17.
I have now been shown documentation which shows that the original hand swabs of Sheila Caffell were rejected by the laboratory on initial submission and that a set of hand swabs purporting to be that of Sheila Caffell were later submitted to the laboratory under a different exhibit and item number. Further, the SOCO exhibit sheets which fail to record any such resubmission. I am confident that this was not a matter of which I was ever aware. The alleged cleanliness of Sheila Caffell's hands was a key issue for the prosecution at trial. We had presented at trial a theory of ritualistic washing in the belief that the evidence presented by the prosecution in this regard was reliable. Had we known
about this issue. I cannot imagine we would not have firstly sought to exclude the evidence at trial; secondly, if admissible, pursued the matter in cross-examination and ,thirdly, instructed an expert to look at this issue more closely in the light of the rejection.

Paul Terzeon 2002

None of this happened and it does not need to for Shelia to have done it, The pathologist agreed Shelia could have shot herself twice,

I believe the wording was that he didn't discount a two shot suicide, which certainly doesn't imply he believed that it was.

[Steve_uk]

I suppose she burnt her clothes in the Aga. She just wasn't physically capable of all the things ascribed to her those last few hours of her life.

[lookout]

What clothes Sheila wore,were soaking in the buckets--------------originally 3,at the start,then somehow whittled down to 2 ?

[Jane]

I suppose she burnt her clothes in the Aga. She just wasn't physically capable of all the things ascribed to her those last few hours of her life.

Steve, she'd have been covered with totally unmentionable debris from numerous shootings and a severe beating, not all of which would have washed away. Jeremy had time on his side. He could take the mess home, have a shower, put soiled clothes in the washing machine, ALL before calling the police.

[Jane]

What clothes Sheila wore,were soaking in the buckets--------------originally 3,at the start,then somehow whittled down to 2 ?

The boys clothes were in one bucket and her undies in the other.

[lookout]

I've already posted my explanation on Sheila loading the rifle---------one or two at a time if the chamber was spring-loaded. This is why an empty box was found in the bedroom where she'd put a handful of bullets in it from the kitchen. The spring-load would have been too tough to have fully loaded it being a comparatively new rifle as well. Jeremy wouldn't have needed to have done this !!

[David1819]

Steve, she'd have been covered with totally unmentionable debris from numerous shootings

Delay in obtaining residues, movement, or washing of the body prior to autopsy will diminish or destroy gunshot residues. (Molina et al, 2007) A rapid loss in numbers of GSR particles occurs from 1 to 3 hours post firearm discharge, though maximum recovery times of 1 to 48 hours have been reported. (Dalby et al, 2010)

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNGSR.html

and a severe beating, not all of which would have washed away.

The "brutal beating" does not appear in Vanezis original autopsy report. All or Nevilles head wounds are attributed to gunshots. Only in the second autopsy report conducted many weeks after does it mention such blunt force trauma.