so come on abs...not seen any crap stuff you made...why should I bother..
How about you come up with some crackpot method using a rifle and explain just how it could make the gouges photographed on Ralphs arm....an impossible task.
Smiffy - from my viewpoint you are on the right side in the debate about this case and you do come up with some good points. However I would urge you to lighten up a bit and not take any disagreement as a personal attack. Abs has made some good points herself and overall appears to me to be more on the innocent side of the debate. She is certainly not one of the trolls who infest the site from time to time. You really should view the animations posted by Abs. They are really hilarious and they are not in any way malicious. I am only jealous that I am not famous like you and shonapugs!
On the point about the cause of the injuries to Nevill's arm you have made a fair case for your view but Abs disagrees. It is a legitimate and important point for debate and I have to say I am undecided. Whatever may be the correct view on the cause of the injuries I do not believe that it should result in any personal animosity between posters.
Have a look at the animations - you will have a good laugh!