Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[maggie]

Awkward. No one said it would be easy.

Grown men can carry big weights. An average size gym goer can easily squat or bench press 120lbs. Several times.

But weights don't have flailing legs and arms they are built to be lifted over the head, are you suggesting he carried Sheila that way?

[lookout]

But weights don't have flailing legs and arms they are built to be lifted over the head, are you suggesting he carried Sheila that way?

Oh I can just see Sheila being calm-----------not ! She'd have had a handful of his hair.He'd have had scratches down the side of his face---------a dead giveaway during a struggle with a bad-tempered woman.

[Jan]

Awkward. No one said it would be easy.

Grown men can carry big weights. An average size gym goer can easily squat or bench press 120lbs. Several times.

so what is Jeremy - One minute he is a make up wearing, lothario, lazy ,quick food employee that hates farming - and the next minute when it suits you he is a strong fit young man who could lift weights ?

[Jan]

 

[David1819]

Julie has given Bamber's justification why each person had to die.

Julie's word cannot be relied on, this has been explained time and time again

[Jan]

personally I think that Julies first official statements fit the crime as the police saw it at that time - I think they did think the call had happened and they did think there was a hitman  - her statements were written to cover everything they thought had happened and then later when they realised there was not a hitman they were a bit stuck. Also I think they were in communication with Julie earlier than we think - hence the private file . Its pretty obvious she was coached but was she doing it for immunity or because she thought he had done it? Not sure . But she Never actually say he was guilty did she?

[Adam]

so what is Jeremy - One minute he is a make up wearing, lothario, lazy ,quick food employee that hates farming - and the next minute when it suits you he is a strong fit young man who could lift weights ?

Lazy - Yes, as Lookout confirmed.

Make up wearing - Yes. So what ?

Hates farming - Yes. Thread already created.

Strong - Yes. He was a 24 year old farmer of average size.

Young - Yes. He was 24.

Lift weights - Yes but I don't believe he went to the gym.


As a fit, strong, young man, I'm sure he could carry someone who weighed less than 100lbs, ten feet. As mentioned average size men in the gym can squat/bench press 120lbs at least ten times.

Bamber was also highly motivated to carry Sheila ten feet if he needed to, there was £436, 000 at stake.

Can't see what the problem is myself.

[scipio_usmc]

personally I think that Julies first official statements fit the crime as the police saw it at that time - I think they did think the call had happened and they did think there was a hitman  - her statements were written to cover everything they thought had happened and then later when they realised there was not a hitman they were a bit stuck. Also I think they were in communication with Julie earlier than we think - hence the private file . Its pretty obvious she was coached but was she doing it for immunity or because she thought he had done it? Not sure . But she Never actually say he was guilty did she?

By that time the police recognized Jeremy made up receiving a phone call from Nevill.

[Adam]

Julie's word cannot be relied on, this has been explained time and time again

Unfortunately for Bamber Julie's WS is totally reliable and believable. Who said so ? Bamber's lawyers.

But Julie and SB carried out a minor cheque book fraud in 1984. So she must be lying. That was the defence's approach at court.

Thread already created called 'Julie's WS, a 'ring of truth ?'.

[maggie]

Lazy - Yes, as Lookout confirmed.

Make up wearing - Yes. So what ?

Hates farming - Yes. Thread already created.

Strong - Yes. He was a 24 year old farmer of average size.

Young - Yes. He was 24.

Lift weights - Yes but I don't believe he went to the gym.


As a fit, strong, young man, I'm sure he could carry someone who weighed less than 100lbs, ten feet. As mentioned average size men in the gym can squat/bench press 120lbs at least ten times.

Bamber was also highly motivated to carry Sheila ten feet if he needed to, there was £436, 000 at stake.

Can't see what the problem is myself.

As I have already said it's not the weight of Sheila but her length, have you tried carrying someone almost as tall as yourself when they don't want to be carried?  It's not easy at all and the chances are you could both end up on the floor.  I don't go with that at all Adam, one of the questions in my mind is how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom with no sign of a struggle if JB shot her. 

The answer may very well be that she was already there and that he shot her in the neck... 1st shot before she realised what was happening. 

I don't believe he could have lead her, carried her or tricked her into the bedroom, in my mind she was there because she chose to be there, whatever the reason.

[Adam]

As I have already said it's not the weight of Sheila but her length, have you tried carrying someone almost as tall as yourself when they don't want to be carried?  It's not easy at all and the chances are you could both end up on the floor.  I don't go with that at all Adam, one of the questions in my mind is how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom with no sign of a struggle if JB shot her. 
\the answer to my mind may very well be that she was already there and that he shot her in the neck... 1st shot before she realised what was happening.  I don't believe he could have lead her, carried her or tricked her into the bedroom, in my mind she was there because she chose to be there, whatever the reason.

Well if she was sleeping she would put up no resistance.

Anyway there are about eight ways Sheila could have ended up in the main bedroom. Being carried is one.

[maggie]

Well if she was sleeping she would put up no resistance.

Anyway there are about eight ways Sheila could have ended up in the main bedroom. Being carried is one.

I haven't found one way which makes any sense to me other than it was her choice or Jeremy lead her at gunpoint but why bother, he couldn't have shot her anyway unless he got a shot at her in her throat on the way and then moved her into the bedroom before shooting her again on the floor? But there is no sign of Sheila's blood anywhere else 
She wouldn't have been sleeping for long if she was picked up, should think she would have woken the minute she was touched and it would be automatic for her to fight back imo. 
A well placed knee would have sorted him out.

[scipio_usmc]

As I have already said it's not the weight of Sheila but her length, have you tried carrying someone almost as tall as yourself when they don't want to be carried?  It's not easy at all and the chances are you could both end up on the floor.  I don't go with that at all Adam, one of the questions in my mind is how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom with no sign of a struggle if JB shot her. 

The answer may very well be that she was already there and that he shot her in the neck... 1st shot before she realised what was happening. 

I don't believe he could have lead her, carried her or tricked her into the bedroom, in my mind she was there because she chose to be there, whatever the reason.

You keep ignoring the most stupid parts of his claim.  It would not be difficult for Jeremy to physically carry Sheila around. You are wasting your time trying to say that physically it would not be possible.     

Adam claims Sheila didn't wake up and just let him do it.  He would not be able to carry the rifle at the same time so would have to put her down while she is sleeping still and go fetch it and return. This is not in the least bit credible. If she didn't come out of the room herself because of hearing something then he marched her out at gunpoint he didn't carry her.

[David1819]

Unfortunately for Bamber Julie's WS is totally reliable and believable.

That's incorrect as her statements are contradictory and impossible to be true.

[maggie]

You keep ignoring the most stupid parts of his claim.  It would not be difficult for Jeremy to physically carry Sheila around. You are wasting your time trying to say that physically it would not be possible.     

Adam claims Sheila didn't wake up and just let him do it.  He would not be able to carry the rifle at the same time so would have to put her down while she is sleeping still and go fetch it and return. This is not in the least bit credible. If she didn't come out of the room herself because of hearing something then he marched her out at gunpoint he didn't carry her.

Scipio I'm not ignoring anything it would be very difficult for Jeremy to carry Sheila and yes he wouldn't be able to carry the rifle as well, surely that goes without saying.  I have already said Sheila would wake up right away it's ridiculous to claim she would stay asleep.