Neville's call to Jeremy. A 1% likelihood ?

[susan]

 

[lookout]

But why would Sheila agree to a suicide pact with JB?  Why would she agree to her boys being killed unless she was ill enough to kill them herself?  I don't believe she would have killed them unless psychotic and therefore would have done it alone, she wouldn't have needed Jeremy and would have killed him as well if he was there....  wouldn't she?
I keep coming back to the belief she slept with June that night, hence the reason for the bear and her dying in that room and where was June going when she walked over to where Sheila was found?  If Sheila was lying on top of June's dried blood it means Sheila either died much later or was moved over the blood spots after she died.

I think both women died pretty much at the same time.

[Jan]

Nothing of Sheila's behaviour in that last fortnight suggests she had an ounce of resistance in her.

to be fair there were very varying reports about her . Colin said she was contributing to the arrangements of the party. He did not describe problems in that respect immediately before the murders.

[Jane]

I think both women died pretty much at the same time.

But you've given no indication of how. A shoot out across the bed doesn't seem likely.

[maggie]

I think both women died pretty much at the same time.

I know you have said that Lookout but Sheila only had two shots, one to her neck at very close range and one under her chin which could only have been done by herself or someone lying down very close to her and aiming carefully, whereas poor June had dreadful injuries before being shot in the head at close range.....  doesn't really make sense to me, I'm afraid.

[susan]

But why would Sheila agree to a suicide pact with JB?  Why would she agree to her boys being killed unless she was ill enough to kill them herself?  I don't believe she would have killed them unless psychotic and therefore would have done it alone, she wouldn't have needed Jeremy and would have killed him as well if he was there....  wouldn't she?
I keep coming back to the belief she slept with June that night, hence the reason for the bear and her dying in that room and where was June going when she walked over to where Sheila was found?  If Sheila was lying on top of June's dried blood it means Sheila either died much later or was moved over the blood spots after she died.

Maggie I cannot answer your questions sorry.  It is so difficult to piece together why was the covers not pulled back on Ralphs bed if Sheila did sleep with June and Jeremy could have placed the teddy bear on the bed after the murders does Cal mention this in her book (not read it yet) maybe the boys gave the teddy to Mummy to help her sleep I have not got a clue and get more confused daily.

[Jan]

And yet rationality would be required to decide to use the rifle and to fathom out how to load it, connect the magazine and chamber a shot.

do you remember the statement where Jeremy was supposed to be showing her how to load the gun ? was it true? Or was it a lie . was he doing it to cover himself - or did she  ask him to show her ?


whether she had used guns or not is one of those things that is not clear - and some "experts" say the gun was not that difficult to use.

[Caroline]

yes adam should accept this scenario  that she slept on her parents bed - it makes his theory easier.He can pm me if he decides to change his mind.

 

Yes, that should make the transition a lot easier! 

[Caroline]

do you remember the statement where Jeremy was supposed to be showing her how to load the gun ? was it true? Or was it a lie . was he doing it to cover himself - or did she  ask him to show her ?


whether she had used guns or not is one of those things that is not clear - and some "experts" say the gun was not that difficult to use.

Not difficult to use perhaps, BUT in the throws of psychosis - I think it would be the last thing she would choose.

[maggie]

Maggie I cannot answer your questions sorry.  It is so difficult to piece together why was the covers not pulled back on Ralphs bed if Sheila did sleep with June and Jeremy could have placed the teddy bear on the bed after the murders does Cal mention this in her book (not read it yet) maybe the boys gave the teddy to Mummy to help her sleep I have not got a clue and get more confused daily.

Someone did suggest that the covers on the far bed in Sheila's room may have been pulled up by Jeremy after the shootings which would imply that Sheila had not gone to bed that night but had been wandering about in a murderous mood? 
As for the teddy, I believe JB was telling the truth and it was Nevill's teddy bear.  He would probably not have had a teddy when he was young because they weren't really around when he was young, they were called teddy after Theodore Roosevelt so he may have had that one as a present for a joke at some time  however, don't believe he slept with it.

[Jan]

If Jeremy had been the murderer he would have to have had a back up plan . There is no way he could be 100% sure Sheila would not fight back and lie in exactly where required and therefore the phone call would not have been part of the plan. So he would have been clever enough to have a plan b . But apparently not clever enough to blab about his crime.

[Jan]

Not difficult to use perhaps, BUT in the throws of psychosis - I think it would be the last thing she would choose.

perhaps Jeremy should have thought of that when chosing a weapon for her.

[Jan]

Yes, that should make the transition a lot easier! 

I have a feeling I wont get the pm and the transition will be extremely slow.

[Caroline]

I have a feeling I wont get the pm and the transition will be extremely slow.

Well, that's a given! 

[maggie]

If Jeremy had been the murderer he would have to have had a back up plan . There is no way he could be 100% sure Sheila would not fight back and lie in exactly where required and therefore the phone call would not have been part of the plan. So he would have been clever enough to have a plan b . But apparently not clever enough to blab about his crime.

There are so many anomalies Jan, I cannot understand how he could believe he could plan anything really because he could never know how everyone would behave in any situation and it was a hell of a thing to control 3 adults, the risks were enormous and after a year's planning you would expect at least a Plan B.....  this is where I veer again, whichever angle you look at this crime from there are questions.