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Offline Jane

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Mike says a lot of things, virtually none of them are ever accurate.  Granny's new will made no provision at all for a child of Jeremy.  Jeremy was a child when her first will was written.


REALLY, Scipio?

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Mike is Mike, deal with it

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From before the moment the raid team even set foot into the farmhouse, the control room had a live feed inside the main kitchen, a room through which the main traffic of human resources passed through, en route to searching and clearing the remaining rooms downstairs, which included the dining room, the living room and the cellar, before the raid team set off up the main stair. Therefore, by reference to the ever reliable control room clock people in the control room who were in possession of a live feed inside the farmhouse, would have known the exact time the search of the main kitchen, the search of the laundry room, the search of the downstairs office, the search of the upstairs storeroom, search of the upstairs office, search of the locked storeroom, search of the loft space, before all the kings horses and all the kings men returned and passed through the main kitchen, as spoken about. What we do know, is that according to one of these police logs, is that no sooner do the raid team force entry into the farmhouse, than it is recorded that "voices can be heard"...

Yet, we are not told, who's voices were heard, or what these people said, at such a crucial stage...

Having now clearly demonstrated that an accurate time was known by reference (Control room clock) to the time and the occasion when after basically searching and clearing all rooms downstairs and upstairs on one side of the main kitchen, with the main traffic passing through the main kitchen, to search the other rooms downstairs and upstairs on the other side of the main kitchen, anyone suggesting that timing was not / is not important nor was it possible to know, is a complete fool, and an idiot...

For many months now, I have had to put up with bafoons accusing me of lying about this, or that, but I have always been able to demonstrate by posting up evidence in most of these instances, and when this has been done, these bafoons have not once apologised so that everybody else can see that on these many other occasions when these morons have been spouting their mouths off, and have been proven to be wrong. Instead, these same morons continue to claim that I am lying about anything and everything I talk about. Not only that, but that nobody takes any notice at all about anything I have got to say - well, the statistics disprove what these morons are saying, and anyway, I don't give a flying toss whether anyone takes any notice of anything I say. I do not post for that reason, I post because its a record of my thoughts at different times, as it were a contemporaneous log. These very same morons who say nobody takes any notice of what I say, themselves are reading and taking note of the very same things, they say nobody takes any notice of...

Bafoons, that is what these people are, utter bafoons...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 08:44:AM by mike tesko »
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When the main traffic of police resources returned and passed through the main kitchen to commence search of other downstairs and upstairs rooms on the other side of the main kitchen, police in the control room knew the time this occurred / happened. It was therefore relatively easy to pinpoint the events spoken about and recorded in the timed police log entries, as compared to the actual time when for example, "the body of one dead male", and "the body of one dead female" (7.37am), had actually occurred in real time. What is required, are that the contents of the police logs with timed entries, compared with real time reference to the same events. I cannot believe that police were reporting the discovery of two bodies downstairs, and three bodies upstairs, by reference to the content of logs, whilst officially claiming that only one body was found downstairs, with four bodies upstairs, at the beginning of this police investigation, when the case was being dealt with (SC/688/85) as 'four murders and a suicide'. These significant discrepancies required an internal police investigation to find out and establish how displacement of a female body from the kitchen downstairs, ended up in the main bedroom upstairs. According to the police logs there had always been two of the five bodies downstairs, and there had always been only three bodies upstairs...

There would have been an internal police investigation to sort these significant discrepancies out, and this internal police investigation would have needed to take place, prior to the new investigation (SC/786/85) commencing...

The new investigation (SC/786/85) could not get under way, until the problems of body displacement (2) downstairs, and (3) upstairs, was properly sorted out in the original case under SC/688/85...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 09:16:AM by mike tesko »
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The most senior detectives in Essex police of the day were all involved in the police operation at the scene / and the investigation into the shootings afterwards. There must have been a thorough investigation into the conflicting scenes downstairs and upstairs. Such an internal investigation, would have sought to make some sort of sense to try and explain the very issue now being raised here, by myself. This would have almost certainly resulted in the seizure of the 999 phone link up (eavesdrop), and the taking of witness statements from everyone on duty inside the control room, and at the scene at the material time (7.30 to 8.10am), to pinpoint exactly at what precise time the body of the dead female was found in the kitchen, when compared with the actual sequence of events, and the events if any, which had elapsed before the discovery of the female body, as per the police log entry...

There is no way the police would have allowed such a problematic issue go by unnoticed, or unattended, the discrepancy was too serious a matter to simply allow the matter to be swept under the carpet, so that a line could be drawn under it. I know the truth about what really did happen at the scene, I know the true explanation for why the body count changed downstairs and upstairs after 8.10am, from 2 / 3, into 1 / 4, and that reason was because shortly after 8.10am the firearm operation inside the farmhouse went pearshaped. At this time, leadership of the firearm operation altered and changed from PS Adams as the Commander of the operation, to PI Montgomery as the Commander of the operation. This coincided with discovery of Sheila's body in the region of the main kitchen where it had originally been left, being discovered to be missing, when DCI Harris, DCI Gibbons and PI Montgomery left the forward control point in a nearby farm building, at about 8.10am, leaving PS Adams at the forward control point. Once Sheila's body was found not to be present in the main kitchen, by Harris, Gibbons, and Montgomery, a fresh search of the premises had to be carried out to locate Sheila Caffell, so PI Montgomery took charge of this fresh search inside of the farmhouse from about 8.15am, onwards...

Change in Commandership  of the firearm operations at around 8.15am, as described, coincided with DCI Harris, using the round finger dial phone in the kitchen, to contact ACC Peter Simpson, to update him about how the original operation had gone pearshaped. This conversation lasted some 15 minutes until about 8.30am, by which time Sheila was relocated upstairs on the bed in the main bedroom, apparently now dead with what appeared to be a single bullet wound to her neck...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2015, 10:10:AM by mike tesko »
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Mike we do listen and we do read your posts you have obviously spent hour and hours of your life on this case.

I am just not convinced now that it was a set up as such.


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Mike we do listen and we do read your posts you have obviously spent hour and hours of your life on this case.

I am just not convinced now that it was a set up as such.

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to...

Firearm training, was changed after the firearm operation that took place outside and inside whf that particular morning. Many new recommendations were made and introduced as a result of the mistakes which were made, in the planning, preparation and entry, by firearms officers, including the insufficient numbers of firearm officers who went into the building, and left the bodies of victims they found unattended. The internal police investigation I am talking about was carried out on behalf of the firearms department Essex police....
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Offline Jane

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Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to...


Thank-you for that, Mike. It's good to know you feel that way


Having now clearly demonstrated that an accurate time was known by reference (Control room clock)  anyone suggesting that timing was not / is not important nor was it possible to know, is a complete fool, and an idiot...

Oh dear. That magnanimous gesture was a bit short lived, wasn't it? :D

For many months now, I have had to put up with bafoons accusing me of lying about this, or that, but I have always been able to demonstrate by posting up evidence in most of these instances, and when this has been done, these bafoons have not once apologised so that everybody else can see that on these many other occasions when these morons have been spouting their mouths off, and have been proven to be wrong. Instead, these same morons continue to claim that I am lying about anything and everything I talk about. Not only that, but that nobody takes any notice at all about anything I have got to say - well, the statistics disprove what these morons are saying, and anyway, I don't give a flying toss whether anyone takes any notice of anything I say. I do not post for that reason, I post because its a record of my thoughts at different times, as it were a contemporaneous log. These very same morons who say nobody takes any notice of what I say, themselves are reading and taking note of the very same things, they say nobody takes any notice of...

Bafoons, that is what these people are, utter bafoons...

If everyone is entitled to think what they want, how is it that those of us who think differently are "IDIOTS" "FOOLS" "BUFFOONS" "MORONS" and "LIARS"? You insist of yourself "I post because it's a record of my thoughts at different times................." MOST of us do the same. What makes us different? Other than the names you call us if we don't agree with you and we may not change our minds as frequently as you? At least what I've said proves I've read what YOU'VE said ;D

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Mike is Mike, deal with it

By the same token Scipio is scipio, Adam is Adam - deal with it!
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From before the moment the raid team even set foot into the farmhouse, the control room had a live feed inside the main kitchen, a room through which the main traffic of human resources passed through, en route to searching and clearing the remaining rooms downstairs, which included the dining room, the living room and the cellar, before the raid team set off up the main stair. Therefore, by reference to the ever reliable control room clock people in the control room who were in possession of a live feed inside the farmhouse, would have known the exact time the search of the main kitchen, the search of the laundry room, the search of the downstairs office, the search of the upstairs storeroom, search of the upstairs office, search of the locked storeroom, search of the loft space, before all the kings horses and all the kings men returned and passed through the main kitchen, as spoken about. What we do know, is that according to one of these police logs, is that no sooner do the raid team force entry into the farmhouse, than it is recorded that "voices can be heard"...

Yet, we are not told, who's voices were heard, or what these people said, at such a crucial stage...

Having now clearly demonstrated that an accurate time was known by reference (Control room clock) to the time and the occasion when after basically searching and clearing all rooms downstairs and upstairs on one side of the main kitchen, with the main traffic passing through the main kitchen, to search the other rooms downstairs and upstairs on the other side of the main kitchen, anyone suggesting that timing was not / is not important nor was it possible to know, is a complete fool, and an idiot...

For many months now, I have had to put up with bafoons accusing me of lying about this, or that, but I have always been able to demonstrate by posting up evidence in most of these instances, and when this has been done, these bafoons have not once apologised so that everybody else can see that on these many other occasions when these morons have been spouting their mouths off, and have been proven to be wrong. Instead, these same morons continue to claim that I am lying about anything and everything I talk about. Not only that, but that nobody takes any notice at all about anything I have got to say - well, the statistics disprove what these morons are saying, and anyway, I don't give a flying toss whether anyone takes any notice of anything I say. I do not post for that reason, I post because its a record of my thoughts at different times, as it were a contemporaneous log. These very same morons who say nobody takes any notice of what I say, themselves are reading and taking note of the very same things, they say nobody takes any notice of...

Bafoons, that is what these people are, utter bafoons...

Having a different opinion doesn't make anyone a moron or a buffoon. Lots of what you suggest can't be physically proven either way - like the notion of a daughter and personally, I believe that such a 'secret' would have found it's way into the press a LONG time ago. I'm not apologising for believing something different.
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I'm not bothered what you think, I know the truth and that's all I need to know....
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I'm not bothered what you think, I know the truth and that's all I need to know....

I'm not bothered by anyone's opinion either - it's just a discussion and people are bound to have different ideas. It's inevitable.
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I'm not bothered what you think, I know the truth and that's all I need to know....

Mike, are you still adamant that Sheila didn't kill herself?
On Ilkley Moor Baht'at.

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Mike, are you still adamant that Sheila didn't kill herself?

She definitely 100% did not kill herself. She died in the bedroom at around 9.12am, give or take a few seconds, either way...
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Having now clearly demonstrated that an accurate time was known by reference (Control room clock) to the time and the occasion when after basically searching and clearing all rooms downstairs and upstairs on one side of the main kitchen, with the main traffic passing through the main kitchen, to search the other rooms downstairs and upstairs on the other side of the main kitchen, anyone suggesting that timing was not / is not important nor was it possible to know, is a complete fool, and an idiot...

When, where and how did you demonstrate such?  All you did was make the idiotic claim the raid team must have been radioing HQIR after each room they cleared though the log shows that didn't happen.

Calling us fools for exercising our God given right to fail to believe nonsense is funny.

 
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