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Offline scipio_usmc

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If its true Jeremy could not force the daughter to do anything, Mikes words were more or less "Write to Jeremy if you don't believe me, He will go mad knowing I have told people"  According to Mike he has met the mother so if anyone is making things up its Mike not Jeremy. Sooner or later someone who writes to Jeremy would not resist the urge to ask Jeremy about Mikes claims.  So maybe down the line we will hear some feedback.

A minor child doesn't file a case against the estate the parents of the child does so.  That is how the parents used such as a vehicle for them to gain control of the money claiming they are going to be trustees of the money for the child. 

The flaw in such is if the courts refuse to accept the naked word of the mother and do a paternity test which is what rational courts will do which in turn is why most are smart enough to not try such nonsense.  In the some instances people actually had the gumption to try it anyway but those instances simply provide examples of why not to bother since they failed.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Jeremy fathered a child he would have filed a claim contemporaneously.  He did filed one decades later simply to be a pest it was not sincere. I consider it quite possible that he  toyed with the idea of making up a child to try to take a run at the estates but ultimately realized such would not work and would only hurt so didn't end up doing such. 

Whether Mike made it up or Jeremy really did make such claim to Mike matters little, either way Mike is spreading things that harm Jeremy and that he shouldn't be spreading if he actually were out to help Jeremy was he claims. If you run around telling people things that were told to you in private that the person doesn't wan released then you can't claim you are out to help them while betraying their trust.

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even worse to be honest would be if it was true and someone did a bit of digging and found the person that Mike says exists. Her life would become hell if the press got hold of it , let alone social media.

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The reason behind the apparent falling out has been posted before.

With how Jeremy answers letters, "do you have a daughter" might seem a simple question, but the answer - maybe not so simple.

I  don't personally think it is the full story .

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What would you think of him if he had?

??? not quite sure what that means. If he has then it looks like he may have tried to keep it quiet to protect her?

It does not make any difference to his guilt or innocence ?

but we seem to be having a discussion with a huge amount of assumptions and no documentary evidence to base it on.

I have no idea where on this subject the truth starts and the lies end  but at the moment I have no evidence any of it has come from Jeremy.

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A minor child doesn't file a case against the estate the parents of the child does so.  That is how the parents used such as a vehicle for them to gain control of the money claiming they are going to be trustees of the money for the child. 

The flaw in such is if the courts refuse to accept the naked word of the mother and do a paternity test which is what rational courts will do which in turn is why most are smart enough to not try such nonsense.  In the some instances people actually had the gumption to try it anyway but those instances simply provide examples of why not to bother since they failed.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Jeremy fathered a child he would have filed a claim contemporaneously.  He did filed one decades later simply to be a pest it was not sincere. I consider it quite possible that he  toyed with the idea of making up a child to try to take a run at the estates but ultimately realized such would not work and would only hurt so didn't end up doing such. 

Whether Mike made it up or Jeremy really did make such claim to Mike matters little, either way Mike is spreading things that harm Jeremy and that he shouldn't be spreading if he actually were out to help Jeremy was he claims. If you run around telling people things that were told to you in private that the person doesn't wan released then you can't claim you are out to help them while betraying their trust.

Absolutely. However, the estate would have to be pretty damn certain that the claim was legitimate, WHICH, in the case of an ILlegitmate, with no father's name on the birth certificate and no DNA proof is going to prove difficult.

Let's examine what we know. Mike announced that Jeremy had a daughter. I believed, apparently erroneously, as I think, did others, that Jeremy had told him, but although it seem that Jeremy HAD told him that he'd "contemplated getting her to make a claim for her share of Mabel Speakman's estate" -making it clear that they HAD spoken of it, it appears that it was the daughter's mother -a close friend of Mike's- who'd revealed the "secret."

If we consider the time frame in which this "relationship" occurred, resulting in the birth of a child, I imagine it was highly unlikely that Jeremy went, hand in hand with the mother, perhaps carrying the child, to ensure that his name appeared on the birth certificate, establishing his paternity and responsibility, AND making her his legitimate heir. One wonders, during that time frame, quite WHEN Jeremy would have had the time to devote to such a courtship -if, indeed it WAS such- when there would have been SO many other things going on AND so many "eyes" on him, watching what was going on.

If Jeremy learned of his paternity whilst in prison, it's possible that he wasn't aware of a pregnancy and if he wasn't, how would he be certain he was responsible for it? For a man whose "quickies" were allegedly once a fairly regular part of his social life, and for whom "fidelity" seemed not to be part of his vocabulary, there MAY have been several who could make such claims and making such, on unsuspecting males, isn't unheard of.......................... which puts forward the possibility of a third person, in this equation, who may have been responsible for giving knowledge to one, resulting in us being given information by another.

A possible irony has just struck me. Patterns have an uncanny knack of repeating. Jeremy's biological  family have expressed a disinclination to have anything to do with him. How bitter an irony would it be -IF there was a child- that it feels similarly inclined.

 

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??? not quite sure what that means. If he has then it looks like he may have tried to keep it quiet to protect her?

It does not make any difference to his guilt or innocence ?

but we seem to be having a discussion with a huge amount of assumptions and no documentary evidence to base it on.

I have no idea where on this subject the truth starts and the lies end  but at the moment I have no evidence any of it has come from Jeremy.

No, it makes no difference to guilt of innocence but if he lied about having a daughter would you still defend him? 
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Provisions were made in Mabel SPEAKMANS will for her great grand daughter to benefit from her estate through June's share of Mabel SPEAKMANS estate. Her great grand daughter was born prior to the occasion when June Bamber (7th August 1985), and Mabel SPEAKMAN (10th August 1985) both died, and before Jeremy Bamber even got arrested in September 1985, or convicted in October 1986 - her birth when it occurred entitled her to a claim against her grand mother's estate, and her great grand mother's estate, as a potential benefactor...


So from that we can assume that, as provision appears to have been made SPECIFICALLY for a " great granddaughter" to inherit, all the family knew of the girl-child, Jeremy's name appeared on the birth certificate and the child went by the name of Bamber.
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So from that we can assume that, as provision appears to have been made SPECIFICALLY for a "grand daughter" to inherit, all the family knew of the girl-child, Jeremy's name appeared on the birth certificate and the child went by the name of Bamber.


And no one twigged? Hmmmmm?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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even worse to be honest would be if it was true and someone did a bit of digging and found the person that Mike says exists. Her life would become hell if the press got hold of it , let alone social media.


Jan, I'd be the first to agree with you was it not for Mike saying that Granny Speakman had actually made provision in her will for this great granddaughter, so Jeremy's name will be on her birth certificate, which has to mean that it's all out in the open anyway.

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even worse to be honest would be if it was true and someone did a bit of digging and found the person that Mike says exists. Her life would become hell if the press got hold of it , let alone social media.
I agree Jan and for that reason I have removed many of Mike's posts but it continues to be discussed on various threads meaning we can only try to be vigilant and remove anything too personal.

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I agree Jan and for that reason I have removed many of Mike's posts but it continues to be discussed on various threads meaning we can only try to be vigilant and remove anything too personal.

I wouldn't worry about it Maggie - if there had been a daughter, the press would have gotten hold of it years ago.
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I wouldn't worry about it Maggie - if there had been a daughter, the press would have gotten hold of it years ago.
I know but it's still 'ikky' imo.

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I know but it's still 'ikky' imo.

Think about it; if Jeremy had communication with a daughter, there would be so many people who knew inside and outside the prison. There is no way that at least ONE of them, wouldn't have gone to the press.
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Think about it; if Jeremy had communication with a daughter, there would be so many people who knew inside and outside the prison. There is no way that at least ONE of them, wouldn't have gone to the press.
I know. 8) but I don't like the way it drags the family into another 'situation' with posts about.unknown 'heiress in waiting' etc. even if unproven.  :-\
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