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Offline mike tesko

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PS Woodcock was the very first firearm officer to enter the main kitchen. He struggled with and shot Sheila Caffell in the throat in an unexpected confrontation where she grabbed the muzzle end of his rifles barrel, the kitchen table was overturned as a result of this confrontational shooting...
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funny how 3 bullet cases were found on top of the kitchen table, yet according to PS Woodcock (first firearm officer into the kitchen) the kitchen table was overturned, yet in the crime scene photographs the table is not overturned - what is the truth?
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It remains a possibility that pages, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, are not the original contents and these are the pages that have been retyped...
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PS Woodcock was the very first firearm officer to enter the main kitchen. He struggled with and shot Sheila Caffell in the throat in an unexpected confrontation where she grabbed the muzzle end of his rifles barrel, the kitchen table was overturned as a result of this confrontational shooting...

I doubt very much that armed response units us a .22 rifle.
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I doubt very much that armed response units us a .22 rifle.





Just the .22 he grabbed off Sheila ?

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It remains a possibility that pages, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, are not the original contents and these are the pages that have been retyped...

And a further 3 pages discarded, with a view to hiding the truth about what really took place...
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In the above version of events, Woodcock describes the kitchen table as having been overturned - what a fucking disgraceful joke, here, according to the police and their supporters no-one moved or touched anything in the main kitchen until after PC Bird took photographs from 10 am onward, but hey, look here at PC Birds photographs taken in the kitchen, the kitchen table is back on its four legs with crockery and utensils, and bullet cases on the top of it...

He clearly made a mistake in respect to the table, I doubt very much that the police would lay breakfast places after having up-righted the table.
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FIRST CONFIGURATION

13 Pages - containing the full unedited version of the truth detailing PS Woodcocks participation in the whole Operation, from him being contacted at home at around 5.30am, to his removal of the rifle from atop Sheila Caffells body at 11.10am, at the scene...

SECOND CONFIGURATION

Pages 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, all original contents. Page 5, retyped, using a different type writer. 3 further pages, of original content removed...

THIRD CONFIGURATION

Pages 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, all retyped by a different type writer, and added in as the main body of the statement. Page 5, original contents. 3 further pages, of original content removed...
« Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 03:57:PM by mike tesko »
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He clearly made a mistake in respect to the table, I doubt very much that the police would lay breakfast places after having up-righted the table.

A MISTAKE?

The citatation, at the beginning of his witness statement, starts with, "THIS STATEMENT CONSISTING OF 13 PAGES, EACH SIGNED BY ME,  IS TRUE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEGE AND BELIEF, AND I MAKE IT KNOWING THAT IF IT IS TENDED INTO EVIDENCE, AND I HAVE WILFULLY STATED ANYTHING I KNOW TO BE WORNG, OR NOT TO BE TRUE, I SHALL BE LIABLE TO PROSECUTION"...
« Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 02:21:PM by mike tesko »
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A MISTAKE?

The citatation, at the beginning of his witness statement, starts with, "THIS STATEMENT CONSISTING OF 13 PAGES, EACH SIGNED BY ME, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEGE AND BELIEF, KNOWING THAT IF IT IS TENDED INTO EVIDENCE, AND ...

I can read what it says but it doesn't say anything about not being able to make a mistake. ONE PERSON said that the table was overturned - the rest that only chairs were moved to allow better access. When I pointed out to you that Jeremy gave the time of 03:10 for his fathers call - you said he was 'mistaken' - doesn't his statement contain the same 'citation'. People make mistakes, however, stating that a table was overturned over a month later (a point that makes no odds to the case - table over-turned or not) is pretty bland compared to making a mistake about an important phone call that would change your life - only hours later.
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I can read what it says but it doesn't say anything about not being able to make a mistake. ONE PERSON said that the table was overturned - the rest that only chairs were moved to allow better access. When I pointed out to you that Jeremy gave the time of 03:10 for his fathers call - you said he was 'mistaken' - doesn't his statement contain the same 'citation'. People make mistakes, however, stating that a table was overturned over a month later (a point that makes no odds to the case - table over-turned or not) is pretty bland compared to making a mistake about an important phone call that would change your life - only hours later.

First of all I do not believe Jeremy made a mistake in his witness statements about the time he received the call from his father, I have made my thoughts clear regarding this in numerous posts on our forum. But just to recap, when I first met Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, in 1989, he did not know the timing of the call you are referring to then, and he therefore, can only speculate about precise timings of events from that morning. What he did know is the sequence with which the events occurred. Anyway, how does any of us know whether or not the kitchen table got turned over and uprighted prior to when the the photographs were taken? The scene in the kitchen has clearly been staged before PC Bird got around to taking any pictures with his camera from 10am, onward...

The wooden chair that Ralph's body was sat upon behind the door before ENTRY was made to try and get into the kitchen, was by 10 O'clock, uprighted and pushed back against the main kitchen side of the inner door through which six or more police officers originally entered the kitchen. A towel, a pair of cotten trousers and two seat cushions, were placed near the base of the coal bucket to contain the spread of blood further on the kitchen floor, the handset of the round finger dial phone had been laid to rest by DCI HARRIS on the top of the kitchen worktop, and somebody had removed a blue and white striped jacket which had originally been hanging down in the region of the right hand side of the mantelpiece. So, its alright for police to do things like this, and take photographs two and a half hours later, but declare at court and elsewhere that these pictures show a view of the scene as it was, undisturbed, from the time of entry into the premises?

You think there's nothing wrong with the police trying to hoodwink us into believing something which clearly based solely on the facts, could not possibly be true?

I suppose your also going to say it was a mistake that Woodcock used a different type writer to either retype page contents in keeping with the SECOND CONFIGURATION, and the THIRD CONFIGURATION, aforementioned? Furthermore, another mistake that it states there are 13 pages, yet only 10 signed ones exist?

A MISTAKE?

You want to hope and prey that these criminal practices are never used by the police, against you, or yours, and until then, we'll see what you have to say at that time...

Once the original contents are disclosed, we will see whether or not Woody made a mistake, a mistake, and another mistake. I do do not believe that I am mistaken about what I am saying, make no mistake it...
« Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 03:11:PM by mike tesko »
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First of all I do not believe Jeremy made a mistake in his witness statements about the time he received the call from his father, I have made my thoughts clear regarding this in numerous posts on our forum. But just to recap, when I first met Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, in 1989, he did not know the timing of the call you are referring to then, and he therefore, can only speculate about precise timings of events from that morning. What he did know is the sequence with which the events occurred. Anyway, how does any of us know whether or not the kitchen table got turned over and uprighted prior to when the the photographs were taken? The scene in the kitchen has clearly been staged before PC Bird got around to taking any pictures with his camera from 10am, onward...

The wooden chair that Ralph's body was sat upon behind the door before ENTRY was made to try and get into the kitchen, was by 10 O'clock, uprighted and pushed back against the main kitchen side of the inner door through which six or more police officers originally entered the kitchen. A towel, a pair of cotten trousers and two seat cushions, were placed near the base of the coal bucket to contain the spread of blood further on the kitchen floor, the handset of the round finger dial phone had been laid to rest by DCI HARRIS on the top of the kitchen worktop, and somebody had removed a blue and white striped jacket which had originally been hanging down in the region of the right hand side of the mantelpiece. So, its alright for police to do things like this, and take photographs two and a half hours later, but declare at court and elsewhere that these pictures show a view of the scene as it was, undisturbed, from the time of entry into the premises?

You think there's nothing wrong with the police trying to hoodwink us into believing something which clearly based solely on the facts, could not possibly be true?

I suppose your also going to say it was a mistake that Woodcock used a different type writer to either retype page conts in keeping with the SECOND CONFIGURATION, and the THIRD CONFIGURATION, aforementioned? Furthermore, another mistake that it states there are 13 pages, yet only 10 signed ones exist?

A MISTAKE?

You want to hope and prey that these criminal practices are never used by the police, against you, or yours, and until then, we'll see what you have to say at that time...


Once the original contents are disclosed, we will see whether or not Woody made a mistake, a mistake, and another mistake. I do do not believe that I am mistaken about what I am saying, make no mistake it...

I'll answer the rest of your post later but you have made an assumption that I have no experience in this kind of thing. Just because I don't harp on about it doesn't mean I don't know EXACTLY what it's like! That's why in this case - I don't buy it and I'm not going to cry corruption at every twist and turn. I think Jeremy is guilty as sin and I also believe/ KNOW (FOR A FACT!) that there are dodgy police officers. However, they aren't ALL dodgy and there is no way that a conspiracy like the size and magnitude of the one you're suggesting - could stand the test of time
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Plus...

Ralph's body was moved from its original position behind the door prior to police entering the main kitchen, ending up with his head in the coal bucket....
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I'll answer the rest of your post later but you have made an assumption that I have no experience in this kind of thing. Just because I don't harp on about it doesn't mean I don't know EXACTLY what it's like! That's why in this case - I don't buy it and I'm not going to cry corruption at every twist and turn. I think Jeremy is guilty as sin and I also believe/ KNOW (FOR A FACT!) that there are dodgy police officers. However, they aren't ALL dodgy and there is no way that a conspiracy like the size and magnitude of the one you're suggesting - could stand the test of time

You and all the others should stop assuming that I believe all police officers are corrupt, because its not true...
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I'll answer the rest of your post later but you have made an assumption that I have no experience in this kind of thing. Just because I don't harp on about it doesn't mean I don't know EXACTLY what it's like! That's why in this case - I don't buy it and I'm not going to cry corruption at every twist and turn. I think Jeremy is guilty as sin and I also believe/ KNOW (FOR A FACT!) that there are dodgy police officers. However, they aren't ALL dodgy and there is no way that a conspiracy like the size and magnitude of the one you're suggesting - could stand the test of time

You and everybody else wrongly assume that I think all police officers are corrupt. And, it doesn't bother me that you don't think there's anything wrong or dodgy with the evidence used to convict Bamber, I am 100% certain he did not kill his sister like you and the doubting others that do. Once the matter of Woodcocks dodgy witness statement is resolved, along with the release of the ' Officers Report' relating to the shooting incident in the kitchen, which will coincide with Bambers imminent release. So, you and the others can scoff all you like...
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