After nine closures, a time for a final closure ?

[lookout]

By definition, the fact that you hope jb is innocent, this would lead to the fact that therefore you must hope that there has been a miscarriage of justice because you hope he is innocenct.

If it's easier for you I will ask directly.  Do u hope that there has been a miscarriage of justice whereby x number of people have set out to convict jb, knowing that he is innocent?

Your thoughts are inconsequential to me, but I have been pretty shocked how it looks to onlookers where you have consistently hoped jb is innocent and therefore as explained above, hoped that there has been a miscarriage of justice.

Sadly and I may be wrong in this, but it appears from your posts that it is more important to you that you are correct in your case appraisal. I genuinely can't believe that you openly post by insinuation that you hope that an innocent man has been wrongly imprisoned for 30 years!

Hope is what Jeremy talks about a lot,which isn't surprising given the knock-backs that he's had.
Perhaps  "knowing" that he's innocent is a stronger word than " hope " in my book.

I don't " hope " that there's been a MOJ-------I KNOW that there's been a MOJ.
I do NOT hope that an innocent man has been imprisoned for 30 years ! What a crass remark !!

I'm absolutely appalled that an innocent man has been imprisoned for 30 years through a thoroughly bad and mismanaged investigation led by Essex Police.

[lookout]

Because that means u actually hope that an innocent man has been wrongly imprisoned for 30+ years!!

No ? I repeated what you'd posted.That's why I used inverted commas-----because it wasn't ME who said it,but yourself trying to put words into my mouth.

[petey]

Hope is what Jeremy talks about a lot,which isn't surprising given the knock-backs that he's had.
Perhaps  "knowing" that he's innocent is a stronger word than " hope " in my book.

I don't " hope " that there's been a MOJ-------I KNOW that there's been a MOJ.
I do NOT hope that an innocent man has been imprisoned for 30 years ! What a crass remark !!

I'm absolutely appalled that an innocent man has been imprisoned for 30 years through a thoroughly bad and mismanaged investigation led by Essex Police.

If only you'd been on jb's legal team.

And this absolute knowledge is based predominantly on a gut feeling and posting on an internet forum.

Interesting that you haven't had access to all of the documents available to the defence team or access to defence witnesses etc, yet you still KNOW him to be innocent.

Staggering that you would rather an innocent man had been in jail for 30 years, than whatever the faults of the investigation,  justice has been correctly meted out and a guilty man has been in jail for 30 years!

So again I ask the question. Do u genuinely hope / want  jb to be innocent?

[lookout]

If only you'd been on jb's legal team.

And this absolute knowledge is based predominantly on a gut feeling and posting on an internet forum.

Interesting that you haven't had access to all of the documents available to the defence team or access to defence witnesses etc, yet you still KNOW him to be innocent.

Staggering that you would rather an innocent man had been in jail for 30 years, than whatever the faults of the investigation,  justice has been correctly meted out and a guilty man has been in jail for 30 years!

So again I ask the question. Do u genuinely hope / want  jb to be innocent?

Not only did I realise his innocence from a forum,I actually remember when the crime occurred as I was older then than you are now and as far as I'm concerned age goes with experience and knowledge when reading and knowing about a case.

Of course I want JB to be proven innocent,what do you think ?

[petey]

Not only did I realise his innocence from a forum,I actually remember when the crime occurred as I was older then than you are now and as far as I'm concerned age goes with experience and knowledge when reading and knowing about a case.

Of course I want JB to be proven innocent,what do you think ?

Absolutely staggering

Lookout's opinion comes before the legal system and the fact this would entail an innocent man being imprisoned for 30+ years and x number of people being complicit in this framing / cover up.

I take it from that you think you have a better understanding than me simply because you are older and remember the case well. Interesting how in your opinion age gives knowledge rather than going by the actual evidence at hand. I guess in your opinion my time at university was pretty much a waste of time, as I'm not old enough yet to garner the knowledge?!

[Adam]

Two categories :

 Those who want him to be innocent and those who want him to be guilty !!

No one wants anything.

As far as I know, no one on this forum are friends or family of Bamber. So shouldn't want anything, except justice.

Guilters follow the evidence and believe he is guilty.

[lookout]

What evidence is that then ?

[Caroline]

Not only did I realise his innocence from a forum,I actually remember when the crime occurred as I was older then than you are now and as far as I'm concerned age goes with experience and knowledge when reading and knowing about a case.

Of course I want JB to be proven innocent,what do you think ?

Should the rest of us just go home then? 

[lookout]

Absolutely staggering

Lookout's opinion comes before the legal system and the fact this would entail an innocent man being imprisoned for 30+ years and x number of people being complicit in this framing / cover up.

I take it from that you think you have a better understanding than me simply because you are older and remember the case well. Interesting how in your opinion age gives knowledge rather than going by the actual evidence at hand. I guess in your opinion my time at university was pretty much a waste of time, as I'm not old enough yet to garner the knowledge?!

Staggering ? What's staggering got to do with anything ? So what ? It's not a hanging offence to support someone who's been wronged,or is it,in your books ?

Maybe I have more common sense than you have and I've certainly got more understanding of people than you have !

[lookout]

Should the rest of us just go home then? 

Please yourself but I thought I was entitled to a view here besides everyone else ?

[Jan]

So do u think jb could have been convicted because people thought he was guilty and therefore adduced the evidence in that way.

Whereas all along he was innocent?

Do u think that he could be innocent yet nobody in the entire investigating team knows?

Whistleblowing in the police is very difficult - and there have obviously been other MOJ where more than one person knew the truth but did not come forward. And the evidence seems to show there was doubt on both sides within the officers that were involved . Many of them in the beginning accepted it was murder and suicide right from the beginning so who was right - them or the officers that were involved later? this was not a case where everything was black and white from day one. It was decidedly murky.

[lookout]

One police officer knows the truth ! He was there . Who's going to believe him ?

[petey]

Staggering ? What's staggering got to do with anything ? So what ? It's not a hanging offence to support someone who's been wronged,or is it,in your books ?

Maybe I have more common sense than you have and I've certainly got more understanding of people than you have !

I think we had better agree to disagree here.

Although I guess to be fair you 'know' that jb is innocent so that probably puts your perception and understanding of people far ahead of me.

When so much is unknown and I have not had direct access to court documents I wouldn't dream of stating I 100% know the truth either way.

[lookout]

I think we had better agree to disagree here.

Although I guess to be fair you 'know' that jb is innocent so that probably puts your perception and understanding of people far ahead of me.

When so much is unknown and I have not had direct access to court documents I wouldn't dream of stating I 100% know the truth either way.

That sounds alright to me.