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Offline mike tesko

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Photo's shot from different angles. No, hand moved, arm moved, rifle moved, nightdress moved, bedspread moved...
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Certainly "bedspread moved"................to the point where it isn't visible in the second shot. The nightdress hem matches with the gun in both shots. The gun HAS moved but they never said it hadn't. It was moved to reveal the blood stain.

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Sheila's body was staged by police prior to PC Bird starting to take photographs of her body on the bedroom floor, to give the impression that she had taken her own life, proven by the sequence with which the following photographs had been taken by PC David Bird, and by reference to the court testimony of PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook:-
« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 08:07:PM by mike tesko »
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Sheila's body was staged by police prior to PC Bird starting to take photographs of her body on the bedroom floor, to give the impression that she had taken her own life, proven by the sequence with which the following photographs had been taken by PC David Bird, and by reference to the court testimony of PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook:-

Cook testified that he moved Sheila's hand, so that PC Bird could photograph the bloodied marks on the nightdress, and that he removed the rifle and placed it against the bedroom window as per the photograph, posted. Photographs of the rifle on Sheila's body therefore were taken before the photograph taken which shows the rifle leaning against the bedroom window (I will come back to this issue later), but the overriding fact is that this set of photographs depict the moment the rifle was on the body, was moved from the body to the bedroom window, and that is confirmed in the testimony of Ron Cook / PC Bird, and these photographs...

Now, this is significant evidence, since it denotes the moment that the rifle was supposedly removed from Sheila's body for the first and only time, untouched, unstaged, yet - we also have claims that a member of the raid team removed the rifle to make it safe at the time her body was allegedly first discovered. How can this be true, if Ron Cook was the first person to remove the rifle from the body? Ron Cook did not get control of the crime scene until 10am, and PI Montgomery claims to have been the person who first removed the rifle from on top of Sheila's body, but he did not enter the farmhouse until about 8.15am?  Then, to put the icing on the cake, we have PS Woodcock claiming he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am, that same morning, now how can that be if by 10.14am, Ron Cook had already removed the rifle from Sheila's body and placed the said rifle against the main bedroom window...
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Cook testified that he moved Sheila's hand, so that PC Bird could photograph the bloodied marks on the nightdress, and that he removed the rifle and placed it against the bedroom window as per the photograph, posted. Photographs of the rifle on Sheila's body therefore were taken before the photograph taken which shows the rifle leaning against the bedroom window (I will come back to this issue later), but the overriding fact is that this set of photographs depict the moment the rifle was on the body, was moved from the body to the bedroom window, and that is confirmed in the testimony of Ron Cook / PC Bird, and these photographs...

Now, this is significant evidence, since it denotes the moment that the rifle was supposedly removed from Sheila's body for the first and only time, untouched, unstaged, yet - we also have claims that a member of the raid team removed the rifle to make it safe at the time her body was allegedly first discovered. How can this be true, if Ron Cook was the first person to remove the rifle from the body? Ron Cook did not get control of the crime scene until 10am, and PI Montgomery claims to have been the person who first removed the rifle from on top of Sheila's body, but he did not enter the farmhouse until about 8.15am?  Then, to put the icing on the cake, we have PS Woodcock claiming he removed the rifle from Sheila's body at 11.10am, that same morning, now how can that be if by 10.14am, Ron Cook had already removed the rifle from Sheila's body and placed the said rifle against the main bedroom window...

This is compelling evidence to support the case for the police stage managing the body of Sheila with the rifle, so that PC Bird could take photographs for the purpose of trying to show for the benefit of the Coroners court, that Sheila had taken her own life...
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Sheila's body was staged by police prior to PC Bird starting to take photographs of her body on the bedroom floor, to give the impression that she had taken her own life, proven by the sequence with which the following photographs had been taken by PC David Bird, and by reference to the court testimony of PC Bird, and DI 'Ron' Cook:-

Mike what is the latest with the photograph you have of Sheila on the bed ?

You couldn't post it a few months ago.

Has it been sent to Bamber's legal team ? Can you post it now ?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 07:59:PM by Adam »
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Mike what is the latest with the photograph you have of Sheila on the bed ?

You couldn't post it a few months ago.

Has it been sent to Bamber's legal team ? Can you post it now ?

I am currently taking advice, on the best way to proceed...
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I am currently taking advice, on the best way to proceed...

That's the right thing to do.
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Mike says he has a picture of Sheila on the bed.

Yes, I have one too but its not what you think.  I will look it out tomorrow.
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This is compelling evidence to support the case for the police stage managing the body of Sheila with the rifle, so that PC Bird could take photographs for the purpose of trying to show for the benefit of the Coroners court, that Sheila had taken her own life...

If Sheila had shot herself with a rifle I am damn sure it wouldnt be lying neatly on top of her as shown in the police snaps.  Anyone who belives that for a moment really must live in cloud cuckoo land.
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Re: Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...
« Reply #100 on: September 24, 2015, 05:07:AM »
If Sheila had shot herself with a rifle I am damn sure it wouldnt be lying neatly on top of her as shown in the police snaps.  Anyone who belives that for a moment really must live in cloud cuckoo land.

It would be interesting if some sort of experiment could be carried out. To see where the gun would fall. But that may mean people shooting themselves. Unless today's advanced techniques can find another way. Or there may have been a way in 1985 which was presented at court 

No one knows if Sheila was supposed to be sitting, kneeling, laying down or standing when she shot herself.

The gun does seem to be neatly on Sheila. With her hand by the trigger.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2015, 05:14:AM by Adam »
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Re: Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...
« Reply #101 on: September 24, 2015, 09:32:AM »
If Sheila had shot herself with a rifle I am damn sure it wouldnt be lying neatly on top of her you agree with me then... as shown in the police snaps.  Anyone who belives that for a moment really must live in cloud cuckoo land. if police had found Sheila's bòdy laid out so neatly and parallel with the edge of the bed, and the rifle positioned so perfectly a top her body, and her right forearm covering bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress, whilst the fingers of her right hand were conveniently resting next to the trigger mechanism as shown in police photographs, every one of the 72 police officers who entered the famhouse and viewed her body would have known that she had been shot by someone else. If what I am saying about this is true, then how can any of the police officers who attended the scene call themselves public servents, everybody who see's these photographs knows instantly that Sheila did not  shoot herself and end up on the bedroom floor as shown in police photographs which were not taken until two and three quarter hours after police first entered the farmhouse...
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Re: Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...
« Reply #102 on: September 24, 2015, 10:20:AM »
If Sheila had shot herself with a rifle I am damn sure it wouldnt be lying neatly on top of her as shown in the police snaps.  Anyone who belives that for a moment really must live in cloud cuckoo land.







I have always maintained that the rifle was NEVER originally on her person. In fact it was on the bedroom floor between the two women roughly 18ins away from Sheila and pretty well the same distance from June !

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Re: Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...
« Reply #103 on: September 24, 2015, 10:38:AM »
If Sheila had shot herself with a rifle I am damn sure it wouldnt be lying neatly on top of her as shown in the police snaps.  Anyone who belives that for a moment really must live in cloud cuckoo land.
How remarkable , not one of the police officers , who viewed this , was as intelligent as you !!

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Re: Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...
« Reply #104 on: September 24, 2015, 10:48:AM »
Everyone would do well to pay attention to the evidence, testimimony and COLP interview notes of DS 'Stan' Jones, where he deals with viewing Sheila's body in the bedroom, and how peaceful and serene looking her body was, hecdescribed her as apoearing as if she was simply sleeping. He also says that her skin had a bluish tone to it, when he first saw her body. It was DS Jones who told AE that Sheila's body along with June Bambers had been found on the bed with the rifle laying in the bed between thier bodies...

Study his evidence, testimony, and the role he has played involving ballistics, and influencing Julie Mugford, etc...
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