Walked or rode bycicle to 9 Head Street from whf - Rigor Mortis puzzle...

[mike tesko]

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DI Wilkinson, walked and rode a bycicle (at different times) between 9 Head Street, and WHF, to determine how much time it would take doing both exercises. The upshot of these tests was that it took him 1 hour and 03 minutes to ride a bycicle between both locations, and it took him, 2 hours and 25 minutes to walk the same route. This is very interesting because if Jeremy Bamber was the killer, and he used either of the two means by which to leave the scene and get back to his cottage, it has a direct bearing upon the general time of death for the five victims. In order to work out the time the shootings were concluded we need a starting point. In this regard we can find no better example than the timing of Malcolm Bonnets phone log, timed at 03.26hrs (it is irrelevant for the purpose of this particular thread, who made the call). According to Wilkinson, it would have taken Jeremy 1 hour and 03 minutes to cycle away from the scene after the last of the five victims had been killed. This implies that if Jeremy had been the killer, he would have had to have killed the last victim by 02.23hrs (using the call log timed at 03.26hrs as the bench mark). Alternatively, if Jeremy had walke the same route, it would have taken him 2 hours and 25 minutes to walk the same route, thus he would have had to shoot the last of the five victims and leave the premises, by 01.01hrs...

In this model, two general times of death, if cycled 02.23hrs, if walked 01.01hrs...

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We can use this information to calculate how long the last of the 5 victims had been shot dead, by comparing the delay in time between one or other of the aforementioned times (02.23hrs; 01.01hrs), and other timed events where police had an opportunity to either enter the farmhouse and find bodies of victims, or once entry into the farmhouse was made, when bodies of victims were found, and photographed, or bodies moved, whilst insitu...

WALKED

Bonnet phone log
03.26hrs - last victim dead 02 hours and 25 minutes, already

Arrival of occupants of CA07 at scene
03.48hrs - last victim dead 02 hours and 47 minutes, already

Arrival of PS Adams and his firearms team at scene
05.00hrs - last victim dead 03 hours and 59 minutes, already

Arrival of PI Montgomery and his team of firearms officers at scene
07.00hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 59 minutes, already

Entry into kitchen, body of one dead male, and body of one dead female
07.37hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 36 minutes, already

Police message, one dead male, one dead female
07.38hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 37 minutes, already

police message, contact police surgeon, and Coroners officers about 2 bodies
07.42hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 41 minutes, already

Control room contact DS Davidson at home, ask him to come on duty, a murder, and a suicide
07.45hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 44 minutes, already

police message, a further 3 bodies found upstairs, 5 dead in total
08.10hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 09 minutes, already

Dr Craig pronounces 5 victims dead
08.44hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 43 minutes, already

End of firearms operation, start of police familiars
09.00hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 59 minutes, already

Arrival at scene of DI 'Ron' Cook, and his team of SOCO
09.20hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 19 minutes, already

DI 'Ron' Cook and his team of SOCO take control of crime scene
10.00hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 59 minutes, already

PC David Bird SOCO starts to take photographs of bodies insitu
10.14hrs - last victim dead 09 hours and 13 minutes, already

PS Woodcock removes anshuzt rifle from body of Sheila, and makes it safe
11.10hrs - last victim dead 10 hours and 09 minutes, already

[lookout]

I wonder if June's death and Sheila's death could have been judged as simultaneous ?

[mike tesko]

RODE A BYCICLE

Bonnet phone log
03.26hrs - last victim dead 01 hours and 03 minutes, already

Arrival of occupants of CA07 at scene
03.48hrs - last victim dead 01 hours and 25 minutes, already

Arrival of PS Adams and his firearms team at scene
05.00hrs - last victim dead 02 hours and 37 minutes, already

Arrival of PI Montgomery and his team of firearms officers at scene
07.00hrs - last victim dead 04 hours and 37 minutes, already

Entry into kitchen, body of one dead male, and body of one dead female
07.37hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 14 minutes, already

Police message, one dead male, one dead female
07.38hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 15 minutes, already

police message, contact police surgeon, and Coroners officers about 2 bodies
07.42hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 19 minutes, already

Control room contact DS Davidson at home, ask him to come on duty, a murder, and a suicide
07.45hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 22 minutes, already

police message, a further 3 bodies found upstairs, 5 dead in total
08.10hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 47 minutes, already

Dr Craig pronounces 5 victims dead
08.44hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 21 minutes, already

End of firearms operation, start of police familiars
09.00hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 37 minutes, already

Arrival at scene of DI 'Ron' Cook, and his team of SOCO
09.20hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 57 minutes, already

DI 'Ron' Cook and his team of SOCO take control of crime scene
10.00hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 47 minutes, already

PC David Bird SOCO starts to take photographs of bodies insitu
10.14hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 01 minutes, already

PS Woodcock removes anshuzt rifle from body of Sheila, and makes it safe
11.10hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 57 minutes, already

[John]

Maybe he got a lift there and back by one of his pals?  Time taken 10 minutes.

[Jane]

DI Wilkinson, walked and rode a bycicle (at different times) between 9 Head Street, and WHF, to determine how much time it would take doing both exercises. The upshot of these tests was that it took him 1 hour and 03 minutes to ride a bycicle between both locations, and it took him, 2 hours and 25 minutes to walk the same route. This is very interesting because if Jeremy Bamber was the killer, and he used either of the two means by which to leave the scene and get back to his cottage, it has a direct bearing upon the general time of death for the five victims. In order to work out the time the shootings were concluded we need a starting point. In this regard we can find no better example than the timing of Malcolm Bonnets phone log, timed at 03.26hrs (it is irrelevant for the purpose of this particular thread, who made the call). According to Wilkinson, it would have taken Jeremy 1 hour and 03 minutes to cycle away from the scene after the last of the five victims had been killed. This implies that if Jeremy had been the killer, he would have had to have killed the last victim by 02.23hrs (using the call log timed at 03.26hrs as the bench mark). Alternatively, if Jeremy had walke the same route, it would have taken him 2 hours and 25 minutes to walk the same route, thus he would have had to shoot the last of the five victims and leave the premises, by 01.01hrs...

In this model, two general times of death, if cycled 02.23hrs, if walked 01.01hrs...

                                            ----------------------------------------------

We can use this information to calculate how long the last of the 5 victims had been shot dead, by comparing the delay in time between one or other of the aforementioned times (02.23hrs; 01.01hrs), and other timed events where police had an opportunity to either enter the farmhouse and find bodies of victims, or once entry into the farmhouse was made, when bodies of victims were found, and photographed, or bodies moved, whilst insitu...

WALKED

Bonnet phone log
03.26hrs - last victim dead 02 hours and 25 minutes, already

Arrival of occupants of CA07 at scene
03.48hrs - last victim dead 02 hours and 47 minutes, already

Arrival of PS Adams and his firearms team at scene
05.00hrs - last victim dead 03 hours and 59 minutes, already

Arrival of PI Montgomery and his team of firearms officers at scene
07.00hrs - last victim dead 05 hours and 59 minutes, already

Entry into kitchen, body of one dead male, and body of one dead female
07.37hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 36 minutes, already

Police message, one dead male, one dead female
07.38hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 37 minutes, already

police message, contact police surgeon, and Coroners officers about 2 bodies
07.42hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 41 minutes, already

Control room contact DS Davidson at home, ask him to come on duty, a murder, and a suicide
07.45hrs - last victim dead 06 hours and 44 minutes, already

police message, a further 3 bodies found upstairs, 5 dead in total
08.10hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 09 minutes, already

Dr Craig pronounces 5 victims dead
08.44hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 43 minutes, already

End of firearms operation, start of police familiars
09.00hrs - last victim dead 07 hours and 59 minutes, already

Arrival at scene of DI 'Ron' Cook, and his team of SOCO
09.20hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 19 minutes, already

DI 'Ron' Cook and his team of SOCO take control of crime scene
10.00hrs - last victim dead 08 hours and 59 minutes, already

PC David Bird SOCO starts to take photographs of bodies insitu
10.14hrs - last victim dead 09 hours and 13 minutes, already

PS Woodcock removes anshuzt rifle from body of Sheila, and makes it safe
11.10hrs - last victim dead 10 hours and 09 minutes, already

I feel certain that courtesy of a link someone put up last night, I read that a person had timed a cycle ride as being around 12 minutes. Even using the main road, it's less than 4 miles.

[mike tesko]

I feel certain that courtesy of a link someone put up last night, I read that a person had timed a cycle ride as being around 12 minutes. Even using the main road, it's less than 4 miles.

Are you accusing DI Wilkinson, of being a liar?

[John]

And the rifle was first made safe minutes after firearms officers first entered the master bedroom, basic procedure I'm afraid.

[Jane]

Are you accusing DI Wilkinson, of being a liar?

Can't imagine why you think I would be. There are numerous route's from Goldhanger to D'arcy and I don't recall seeing any speeds, weather conditions, heights, ages or weights mentioned.

[mike tesko]

According to calculations made by DI Wilkinson, by the time PC David Bird got around to taking the first photographs of Sheila Caffell on the bedroom floor (10.14hrs), Sheila had already been dead by as few as 08 hours and 01 minute, or as long as 09 hours and 13 minutes, and yet, DI 'Ron' Cook was easily able to move around Sheila Caffells right arm, and remove the gun from her body (without wearing gloves), without 'RIGOR MORTIS' having developed:-

[lookout]

Notice how clean her arms/hands were.

[mike tesko]

Can't imagine why you think I would be. There are numerous route's from Goldhanger to D'arcy and I don't recall seeing any speeds, weather conditions, heights, ages or weights mentioned.

[lookout]

Would everyone agree that both female bodies had the same amount of RM,LM ?

[lookout]

JB drove there and back. Whose was the blue car ?

[mike tesko]

And the rifle was first made safe minutes after firearms officers first entered the master bedroom, basic procedure I'm afraid.

And if what you say is true, then of course the first photographs taken of Sheila Caffell on the bedroom floor cannot have been in the exact same position that her body and the gun was originally found in, and so the photographs presented to the jury, on the basis that they represented Sheila's body untouched and unmoved, had in fact, been stage managed beforehand, a fact not given to the jury...

A very serious matter, if true...

[John]

On a bicycle it only takes 11-15 minutes to get to White House Farm from 9 Head Street in Goldhanger.



Farmhouse just a few hundred metres east of red pointer.