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« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2015, 05:26:PM »
The shorthand notes would be disposed of after 5 years.  If an appeal was filed within 5 years then they translated the shorthand into a complete transcript to be kept on file.
How do you know that that was the standard procedure in England in 1986?

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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2015, 05:31:PM »
How do you know that that was the standard procedure in England in 1986?

Because I know how to research and can read English.
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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2015, 06:06:PM »
What exactly was your source for this particular information?

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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2015, 06:13:PM »
Because I know how to research and can read English.

how com e you cant post links to it then.

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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2015, 06:40:PM »
how com e you cant post links to it then.

Because the most reputable sources are materials other than the internet.     
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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2015, 07:09:PM »
What exactly was your source for this particular information?

A book but since you all have so much affinity for the Internet I found this which says the same thing as the book essentially:

Court stenographers recorded the proceedings in short hand known as computer aided transcription notes. These were filed separately from the case file and not kept permanently. However, if the defendant lodged an appeal within five years of the conviction then long hand notes were recreated from the original computer aided transcription notes for the appeal and may be found on the criminal appeal case file

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/criminal-courts-england-wales-from-1972/#6-transcripts

This notes:

1) that the CAT notes were destroyed after 5 years

2) that if an appeal was filed within 5 years then prior to destroying the CAT notes they would have been transcribed into a full transcript.

3) The full transcripts MAY have been retained in the appeal file but for a variety of reasons they might not have been kept in the appeal file and may not have survived.

If they were not retained in the appeal file then one is sh$t out of luck.  Obviously the transcript of his testimony in chief was not found in the appeal file or the 2002 COA panel would have found it. They noted it was missing from the file.

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