Yyvonne

[Jane]

Stress keeps them on their toes nowadays,but 30 years ago although there were still murders,etc it seemed a more laid-back life then, they had more time to solve crimes even without the resources they have today so all the more reason that their reliability in solving them from scratch would/should have been vital as well as accurate,but many remained unresolved until DNA testing came about which for the most part made the job a lot easier in that respect as far as catching criminals was concerned. The population too has vastly increased since 1985 when there were about 55 million,and policing was more hands-on,though resources haven't increased in line with the population.
S.Jones wasn't averse to a " nip " of the hard stuff whilst on duty,tut tut, clouds the mind somewhat.
 
It's more the disruptive behaviours that comes with the excesses that seems to be a huge problem, all unnecessary and extra work put on an already stretched force which a lot of people don't understand.
The NHS suffers the brunt of this as well.

I know there are a lot of problems within the force.Marriage breakdowns because of the hours/shifts as well as those which you've already mentioned.Even the police themselves getting into trouble,or even leaving the force to find something less stressful,so there isn't the same concern over their pension that there was 30 years ago either as you're more likely to find a whistle-blower today than you were back then as they appeared to be more pension-conscious whatever the outcome. A DCI Stone ( I think ) who hadn't followed the Bamber case but had the highest say in the matter,of guilty,retired next day !?

I suppose life is more stressful for police now, than then. THEN my friends husband was the local "bobby" in the village where they and I lived. Crime was petty. He had his finger on the pulse and knew which lads were likely to cause problems. New Years Eve, he'd stroll around on foot and there'd be some good natured banter with lads the worse for wear. He'd go along with it but reminded them that if he had cause to speak to them again they'd spend a night in cells. They rarely pushed it. There came the time when he had to patrol a London overspill town on New Years Eve and one of the coppers from there was moved over to our village. He didn't know the local lads and they didn't know him. There was more aggression that New Year than there had ever been.

I know it isn't the same as coping with murder -although we did have a few in the village!!!- but I can't imagine that many who trod a beat back then would want to police todays world.

[Jane]

Speaking of which,homophobic people have psychological issues. Psychoticism which is a personality trait marked by hostility,anger and aggression towards others. So says lead researcher Emmanuele Jannini endocrinologist and medical sexologist at Rome University.

Lookout, it goes back to Hans Eysenck, a psychologist who used it as a personality dimension in his PEN (psychoticism, extraversion and neuroticism) model. It refers to a patten of aggressive and interpersonal hostility.

[Reader]

That right there illustrates how after passage of time things get lost.

So you envisage an entire transcript got stuck in the bowels of a copying machine, do you? What about the original shorthand version?

[scipio_usmc]

So you envisage an entire transcript got stuck in the bowels of a copying machine, do you? What about the original shorthand version?

No xxxxx the transcript of his testimony was lost by whoever stores it and conveniently the defense lsot their copies as well or decided to lie and say they lost their copies in order to not produce them because they don't want anyone to see what a jackass he was on the stand.

[Reader]

So the original shorthand version is still in storage?

[nugnug]

it must be.

[scipio_usmc]

So the original shorthand version is still in storage?

Your reading comprehension skills are extremely poor.  What part of "no copies exist" confuses you?

"No transcript has survived as to the appellant's evidence in chief, although it seems clear from the summing up that it was entirely consistent with that which he had told the police. A transcript of his cross-examination is available. In cross-examination the appellant said Sheila Caffell had frequent delusions and had spoken to him of suicide."

No copies of his testimony in chief period have survived in possession of the Crown and if the defense had ordered copies they failed to produce any of them to the COA instead proffering they didn't have a copy either. The shorthand notes would be disposed of after 5 years.  If an appeal was filed within 5 years then they translated the shorthand into a complete transcript to be kept on file.  They lost he transcript that covered his testimony in chief. Someone probably was reading it at some point and never returned it to the file or returned it to the wrong file.     

 

[nugnug]

we dont know that no copies survie thats an asumption.

[Jane]

we dont know that no copies survie thats an asumption.

Nugs, you're taking this round in circles. Where do you think it will get you?

[nugnug]

im stating a fact we dont know copies exist.

[scipio_usmc]

im stating a fact we dont know copies exist.

The government has no copies of his testimony in chief.  Jeremy may have a copy but if so no one will ever know or see it.

[nugnug]

the goverment often thinks they have no copys of a docuument and then one suddenly turns what they mean is they cant find any such document that does not mean theres not a copy laying around somewhere.

[Jane]

the goverment often thinks they have no copys of a docuument and then one suddenly turns what they mean is they cant find any such that does not mean theres not a copy laying around somewhere.

You've answered your own question then. PLEASE don't do an Adam on us.

[scipio_usmc]

the goverment often thinks they have no copys of a docuument and then one suddenly turns what they mean is they cant find any such that does not mean theres not a copy laying around somewhere.

If a copy survived and is in the wrong file it will not be located because no one will ever look for it in such file. In the meantime if in the wrong file it could be destroyed when that file is destroyed.

 

[lookout]

I believe files etc were so mixed up that it took Jeremy and his legal team an age to put them in order.