The Glasgow Herald newspaper cuttings.

[Jane]

I had always wondered if there were any witnesses called for jeremy.

stunned , deeply shocked, unable to speak.

got on well with his family

was well liked etc etc.

we do seem to concentrate on all the negatives about jb but there were also positives.

i cannot understand why he said it was for them to establish his guilt , what a prat, that was his big downfall imo

Perhaps there were none who would have been reliable. Jeremy had moved in a rather incestuous group who weren't averse to a bit of bed hopping. It MAY have been thought they were too enmeshed.

[Steve_uk]

Geoffrey Rivlin QC: "Four Police officers went to that small gun cupboard. They found no silencer. What's gone wrong..?"  https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099&hl=en

[lookout]

It wasn't up to them, Lookout. She wasn't a child, she was 26/7. Besides which, her next injection was due.

I bet Sheila thought that they treated her like a child though. I would have thought that the next injection was the last thing on Sheila's mind.

[Steve_uk]

Perhaps there were none who would have been reliable. Jeremy had moved in a rather incestuous group who weren't averse to a bit of bed hopping. It MAY have been thought they were too enmeshed.

April I'm always a bit wary of character witnesses anyway. I mean I'm sure Ken Dodd is a nice bloke,but does that preclude him from fiddling a bit of tax..

[Steve_uk]

I bet Sheila thought that they treated her like a child though. I would have thought that the next injection was the last thing on Sheila's mind.

It must be awful to know that you're dependent on some medication which has to be injected,and dependent on strangers to administer it to you at a time of their choosing..

[lookout]

Perhaps there were none who would have been reliable. Jeremy had moved in a rather incestuous group who weren't averse to a bit of bed hopping. It MAY have been thought they were too enmeshed.

It wasn't Jeremy's fault that Freddie was a rogue.He was Sheila's friend not Jeremy's. So it wasn't only he who kept bad company.

[scipio_usmc]

Geoffrey Rivlin QC: "Four Police officers went to that small gun cupboard. They found no silencer. What's gone wrong..?"  https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861024&id=GoJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2005,5924099&hl=en

He also claimed that only someone who knows nothing about guns would be worried about the sound the guns makes and only Sheila would have put it on.  That makes no sense at all, the moderator was usually attached for a reason and if killing people in their sleep there is even more reason to use it.

Since the prosecution noted the police were not searching for the moderator and didn't take out everything from the closet to look through that explains why the moderator wasn't found and looked at. 

The defense arguments were weak but that was all they could do.

[lookout]

In fact,there's something somewhere which states how worried the Bambers were about the company that Sheila was keeping,and this was latterly,so how they knew I don't know.

[Jane]

April I'm always a bit wary of character witnesses anyway. I mean I'm sure Ken Dodd is a nice bloke,but does that preclude him from fiddling a bit of tax..

KD wouldn' do, Steve. He'd spend too long pulling his hair to make it stick out.

[Jane]

It must be awful to know that you're dependent on some medication which has to be injected,and dependent on strangers to administer it to you at a time of their choosing..

In fairness Steve, had Sheila been reliable, there would have been no need for injections. It wasn't much more inconvenient than contraceptive injections....................and look what problems they prevent.

[Jane]

It wasn't Jeremy's fault that Freddie was a rogue.He was Sheila's friend not Jeremy's. So it wasn't only he who kept bad company.

I don't suppose Freddie would have been called as a character witness for Jeremy.

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy to Constable Stephen Myall: "She has a history of mental illness and has tried several times to kill herself.." https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861004&id=C4JDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3416,932584&hl=en

Bamber jury fails to reach a verdict. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861028&id=Ae09AAAAIBAJ&sjid=v0gMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3204,6886810&hl=en

[lookout]

I don't suppose Freddie would have been called as a character witness for Jeremy.

No he wasn't,on account of him probably already " known " to the police. Even though he'd been in,and witnessed the thick of it during Sheila's tantrums.

[lookout]

Anyway,Sheila saw him as the devil. He probably looked like it too.

[Jane]

Jeremy to Constable Stephen Myall: "She has a history of mental illness and has tried several times to kill herself.." https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19861004&id=C4JDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q6UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3416,932584&hl=en

So, he allegedly gets this call from his "panicked" father, circa 3 am,telling him that his sister has gone mad and got hold of a gun -this is the same sister who having just been released from a psych clinic after a breakdown and is allegedly soon to return, has previously"tried several times to kill herself"- and yet Jeremy casually flicks through the telephone directory to find the number of A police station and because he gets no reply he idles away a few more minutes looking for another police station to ring.............................and all the while his suicidal sister with a history of mental illness is brandishing a gun at his "panicked" father. It definitely has "the ring of truth".................NO WAY!!!!!