The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Caroline]

Especially so. I wonder if he thumbed through the phone book page by page? Re the phone call to Julie. My feeling is, having read it, that something is missing. The words don't seem to flow correctly. I'm inclined to think Julie may have been expecting the call. Not necessarily that night but at some point during Sheila's visit. Jeremy, I believe, whilst admitting the call, denies the conversation happened.

He never picked up a phone book. I think he got back from WHF all hyped up and on a high! He called Julie because he had to 'share; with someone. I think he probably rolled a joint and smoked it to calm himself down a bit - got changed and called the police.

[Caroline]

Pc West's log effectively supported Jeremy, but Jeremy and his defence team didn't realize the full significance of it at his trial. We can now see that whereas Pc West wrote down "age 27" for Sheila that Jeremy had told him was Sheila's age, Bonnett (who was called by Pc West) wrote "aged 26 yrs". This was consistent with Bonnett having had another source - Nevill Bamber.

It didn't support Jeremy at the time, Jeremy argued that he called earlier. NOW he's agreeing with West because he wants to hoodwink people into believing Nevill called. The age being wrong, supports nothing of the sort!

[Jane]

He never picked up a phone book. I think he got back from WHF all hyped up and on a high! He called Julie because he had to 'share; with someone. I think he probably rolled a joint and smoked it to calm himself down a bit - got changed and called the police.

Yeah, I guess the adrenalin would have been in overdrive.

[Reader]

It's easy to see how the "sister" that Jeremy spoke of translated as the "daughter" Neville allegedly spoke of.

If it's so easy, tell me what you think the entire conversation between Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett might have been - not just a summary, but everything spoken.

[Caroline]

If it's so easy, tell me what you think the entire conversation between Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett might have been - not just a summary, but everything spoken.

West - Hi, CD 1990 here, just had a call from a young man reporting a strange call from his father. Apparently his daughter has gone berserk and has got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK, have you got the fathers details?

West - Yes, it's a  Mr Bamber of White House Farm, Tollshunt D'arcy

Bonnett - Do we know anything about the daughter?

West - Yes, she's called Sheila Bamber, I think her age was given as 26/27

Bonnett - You said she's gone berserk?

West - Yes and got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK let me read this back Daughter gone bersek, Mr Bamber. White House Farm Tolleshunt D'Arcy. Daughter Sheila Bamber aged 26, has got hold of one of my guns?

West - yes, that's fine.

Bonnett - will get someone over there to check it out.

[scipio_usmc]

West - Hi, CD 1990 here, just had a call from a young man reporting a strange call from his father. Apparently his daughter has gone berserk and has got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK, have you got the fathers details?

West - Yes, it's a  Mr Bamber of White House Farm, Tollshunt D'arcy

Bonnett - Do we know anything about the daughter?

West - Yes, she's called Sheila Bamber, I think her age was given as 26/27

Bonnett - You said she's gone berserk?

West - Yes and got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK let me read this back Daughter gone bersek, Mr Bamber. White House Farm Tolleshunt D'Arcy. Daughter Sheila Bamber aged 26, has got hold of one of my guns?

West - yes, that's fine.

Bonnett - will get someone over there to check it out.

You left out West giving Bonnett Nevill's phone number, that West said Jeremy told him his father had a collection of weapons, and that Jeremy said he called police after the phone call from Nevill got disconnected. Also West announced he was PC1990 from Chelsford.

West says he asked what station covers that area and what units were available.

 

[Caroline]

You left out West giving Bonnett Nevill's phone number, that West said Jeremy told him his father had a collection of weapons, and that Jeremy said he called police after the phone call from Nevill got disconnected. Also West announced he was PC1990 from Chelsford.

West says he asked what station covers that area and what units were available.

 

Errrr no, I didn't given that I was ONLY answering Readers question over how 'sister' ends up being 'daughter'! But thanks everso for your input - it wasn't required but predictability led to it being expected! 

[scipio_usmc]

I added to your conversation

West - Hi, this is PC1990 located at Chemsford. I just received a call from a young man who was worried because he received a distress call from his father. Apparently his father said his daughter, the caller's sister, has gone berserk and has got one of his guns and asked him to come quickly to help then the phone went dead. Naturally this worried him so he phoned me to report it. I have him on hold right now.

Bonnett - OK, have you got the fathers details?

West - Yes, it's a  Mr Bamber of White House Farm, Tollshunt D'arcy phone number 860209

Bonnett - Do we know anything about the daughter?

West - Yes, she's called Sheila Bamber, I think her age was given as 26/27

Bonnett - You said she's gone berserk?

West - Yes and got one of his guns. He also said that his father has a collection of shotguns and .410s.

Bonnett - OK so to sum things up, Mr Bamber's son passed the following message to you- his father Mr Bamber of White House Farm Tolleshunt D'Arcy phoned his son to request help because daughter Sheila Bamber aged 26, has got hold of one of his guns and gone beserk then the phone went dead so Bamber Jr is worried and wants police to check things out..

West - you got it, what station covers that address and what units are available at this hour.

Bonnett - Let me check, ok Witham covers that area. They have a skeleton crew I'll try to get units there as soon as I can.

[scipio_usmc]

Errrr no, I didn't given that I was ONLY answering Readers question over how 'sister' ends up being 'daughter'! But thanks everso for your input - it wasn't required but predictability led to it being expected! 

Reader keeps challenging people to post conversations that last more than a minute.  He keeps trying to pretend the phone calls lasted 3 minutes total so he can pretend Jeremy was off the phone 3:39-3:40

[mike tesko]

West - Hi, CD 1990 here, just had a call from a young man reporting a strange call from his father. Apparently his daughter has gone berserk and has got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK, have you got the fathers details?

West - Yes, it's a  Mr Bamber of White House Farm, Tollshunt D'arcy

Bonnett - Do we know anything about the daughter?

West - Yes, she's called Sheila Bamber, I think her age was given as 26/27

Bonnett - You said she's gone berserk?

West - Yes and got one of his guns.

Bonnett - OK let me read this back Daughter gone bersek, Mr Bamber. White House Farm Tolleshunt D'Arcy. Daughter Sheila Bamber aged 26, has got hold of one of my guns?

West - yes, that's fine.

Bonnett - will get someone over there to check it out.

The documentary facts, do not support your scenario, since the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), is timed 10 minutes before the PC West log (03.36hrs), and of course, this sets the scene for someone other than PC WEST having contacted Bonnet by 03.26hrs, and giving him information either from, or referring to Ralph Bambers plight. Then, 10 minutes later, Jeremy made his own call to the police. Sandwiched inbetween the Bonnet log (03.26hrs) and the WEST log (03.36hrs), was the activation of the attack alarm from whf at 03.29hrs...

[mike tesko]

The documentary facts, do not support your scenario, since the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), is timed 10 minutes before the PC West log (03.36hrs), and of course, this sets the scene for someone other than PC WEST having contacted Bonnet by 03.26hrs, and giving him information either from, or referring to Ralph Bambers plight. Then, 10 minutes later, Jeremy made his own call to the police. Sandwiched inbetween the Bonnet log (03.26hrs) and the WEST log (03.36hrs), was the activation of the attack alarm from whf at 03.29hrs...

And then of course, we have Julie Mugford, informing DS 'Stan' JONES in one of her witness statements, that Jeremy had called her at around 03.30hrs, which fell inbetween an original attempt made by Jeremy to call the police at Witham police station which he says no-one answered, and the successful call he made to PC West at 03.36am, thereby satifying the answers which Bamber had later given to the police about him calling Julie Mugford after he had rung the police (the failed attempt), and before he had called police at 03.36hrs...

[scipio_usmc]

The documentary facts, do not support your scenario, since the Bonnet log (03.26hrs), is timed 10 minutes before the PC West log (03.36hrs), and of course, this sets the scene for someone other than PC WEST having contacted Bonnet by 03.26hrs, and giving him information either from, or referring to Ralph Bambers plight. Then, 10 minutes later, Jeremy made his own call to the police. Sandwiched inbetween the Bonnet log (03.36hrs) and the WEST log (03.36hrs), was the activation of the attack alarm from whf at 03.29hrs...

There was no alarm at WHF prior to the murders you lying about that means there is no reason to trust anything else you say but the rest of what you say makes no sense anyway. 

It was 3:26 when he phoned Bonnett which means Jeremy called West prior to 3:26.  West screwed up the time that Jeremy phoned him, he either wrote the time at the end of the call, misread the clock or his clock was fast and thus his clock read 3:26 though the actual time was between 3:20 and 3:23 then he accidentally wrote 3:36 though he meant to write 3:26.

[scipio_usmc]

And then of course, we have Julie Mugford, informing DS 'Stan' JONES in one of her witness statements, that Jeremy had called her at around 03.30hrs, which fell inbetween an original attempt made by Jeremy to call the police at Witham police station which he says no-one answered, and the successful call he made to PC West at 03.36am, thereby satifying the answers which Bamber had later given to the police about him calling Julie Mugford after he had rung the police (the failed attempt), and before he had called police at 03.36hrs...

Julie Mugford said 3:30 when she was protecting Jeremy.  Her roommates said the call was earlier than 3:30 in fact 2 of them say it was around 3AM or even earlier than 3AM.  Jeremy was on the phone with police at 3:30.

[mike tesko]

Information was recieved by Bonnet at 03.26am, some 10 miutes before West recieved Jeremys call at 03.36hrs. Previously untended evidence about the accuracy of the control room clock being inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus or minus, by PC Stephen John HOLTBY - SMITH (1 page), exposes the lies told by both Bonnet and West, since why would HOLTBY - SMITH make a witness statement declaring the control room clock was inaccurate by 5 minutes one way or another, when Bonnet and West ask everyone to believe that the control clock was inaccurate by 10 minutes plus?

[scipio_usmc]

Information was recieved by Bonnet at 03.26am, some 10 miutes before West recieved Jeremys call at 03.36hrs. Previously untended evidence about the accuracy of the control room clock being inaccurate by 5 minutes, plus or minus, by PC Stephen John HOLTBY - SMITH (1 page), exposes the lies told by both Bonnet and West, since why would HOLTBY - SMITH make a witness statement declaring the control room clock was inaccurate by 5 minutes one way or another, when Bonnet and West ask everyone to believe that the control clock was inaccurate by 10 minutes plus?

Bonnett received information from West who received information from Jeremy.  Jeremy phoned West PRIOR to West phoning Bonnett.  Your nonsense is all a complete waste of time.