The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Adam]

Supporters, and even some non supporters blame Julie.

How dare she be sleeping at 3am.

[Adam]

It seems apart from a few people kicking and screaming, everyone agrees Bamber phoned Julie before the police.

Two independent witnesses could have easily taken the safe option and said they were not sure, when testifying. However under cross examination, both said the phone call was at 3am.

It is no good going by what Bamber says. He changed his mind several times before settling upon afterwards. 

His reason for calling her - 'to hear a friendly voice', matches him calling Julie after the police. He did not need her advice as according to him he had made the decision to phone Chelmsford police station, and agreed to meet them at WHF. So he either called her to 'hear a friendly voice', or to give her an update statement.

However no one who thought things were so serious they had to call the police, would then phone someone at 3am to 'hear a friendly voice'.

The only thing supporters can say is 'no one knows what we would do in that situation. That is correct, and no one will ever find out.

[Reader]

Had you wished to make clear that you were basing your question on his words you should have used inverted commas

I used the Quote button, so I did use inverted commas.

if you weren't quoting word for word, it wouldn't have been necessary

As I'd used the Quote button, what vidvic had posted was already present. I wanted to use the word "motive", whereas vidvic had used "in order to" (which implies motive), so I didn't put "motive" within quotes.

I wasn't quoting you, ergo, no need for inverts.

It's possible to quote without using them. I've already explained that you referred to my words, which is another way of quoting me.

[Jane]

If it's a myth..., but you haven't established that Jeremy made it up. If he made it up, why didn't he ensure he gave a plausible account that he could stick to?
Neither I nor you can remember those things, as we weren't there. On the other hand, in his interview transcripts, he initially stated that he called Julie before he called the police.
What are you referring to and how can you possibly know that his motive was to appear reasonable?
There is no proof of that. It (11 minutes) isn't consistent with the police evidence.
How do you know? Did he have only one telephone? Jeremy has consistently maintained that Nevill rang him and that this call woke him up.
You haven't quoted such argument. What proof do you have that anyone was specifically asked in court whether Jeremy's call was nearer to 3am than to 3:30am? It was Julie who had given the time of about 3:30, whereas Jeremy had given "about 3:25am" in his statement.
Where can I see proof of this, including Jeremy's exact words?
You are trying to combine the time recorded by Pc West with an unverified assertion of a duration of 11 minutes that is inconsistent with Pc West's evidence in court. You seem to be attacking the prosecution evidence rather than Jeremy's account.

Oh yeah? So please show me where, in the above post, you've used inverted commas. Just using the Quote button alone doesn't cover quoting particular aspects of a post. It's a reference or aide de memoire for the post's recipient.

[Reader]

You can see them for yourself - they're in Reply #301.

[Caroline]

The trouble with it is that you have to either believe that the clock in that police station was not just 10 but 15 minutes fast, or that PC West misread it by 15 minutes. It sounds more like a comedy sketch than a real police station.

He simply wasn't that bothered about putting in the correct time - he most likely left it blank while getting down the main details, filling the time details AFTER Jeremy had hung up. It's just an admin error that Bamber and the CT like to jump on.

[Caroline]

That wasn't Pc West's opinion when he gave evidence.

He said it was possible that he had 'written the wrong time', writing the wrong time is a mistake, a mistake in administration is an admin error.

[Reader]

Pc West didn't say "I simply wasn't bothered" in court. He said "The time is normally taken at the beginning. Certainly it is practice to take — to record the time as the telephone call or message is received. . . . It is not always practicable to adhere to it, but if we can yes."

[Caroline]

It's curious that nobody has said it before. As far as I know the prosecution never maintained that West received the call from Jeremy at 03:20. And it's a hell of a mistake for West to be wrong by 15 minutes.

Really? But you don't think it's odd that Jeremy is saying that his dad called him at 03:10 but that he didn't call the police until 03:36? You see Jeremy is now saying West's time is correct - now who's spinning a yarn?

[Caroline]

Pc West didn't say "I simply wasn't bothered" in court. He said "The time is normally taken at the beginning. Certainly it is practice to take — to record the time as the telephone call or message is received. . . . It is not always practicable to adhere to it, but if we can yes."

Where did I say he did say that? I SAID IT because it's clear that he was being sloppy. I have posted what he said and he said it was 'possible he had written the wrong time'. We have gone over and over this, you should know that he admitted it, it's been posted often enough!

[Caroline]

That's incorrect. Pc West claimed he had spoken to Jeremy for less than a minute when he contacted police HQ. Perhaps he underestimated... a bit less than two minutes is comfortably enough. Try writing a copy of the first part of Pc West's log... how long does it take you?

Pc West's evidence at trial makes interesting reading... he clearly didn't think he'd logged the time incorrectly.

What would be the point of copying the log details? That would obviously take less time than asking another person questions, waiting for their answer and THEN writing it down.

He didn't think he made a mistake? is that why he said he could have?

[Reader]

I have what Pc West initially said in court regarding this. He outlined the normal practice and he never said anything to indicate that he was too busy or too distracted to adhere to that practice.

[Caroline]

I have what Pc West initially said in court regarding this. He outlined the normal practice and he never said anything to indicate that he was too busy or too distracted to adhere to that practice.

Where did I say that he did say any of that - I AM SAYING IT! He admitted that he could have made a mistake and to deny that (when it's in black and white) is quite odd.

[Reader]

I was explaining (and expanding on) what I posted, not what you posted. In Pc West's statement of 9th August 1985, he said that he received Jeremy's call at about 03:26. However, he later formed the opinion that this was incorrect, as his statement of 13th September 1985 gives the time when he took Jeremy's call as 3:36 a.m.

[Caroline]

I was explaining (and expanding on) what I posted, not what you posted. In Pc West's statement of 9th August 1985, he said that he received Jeremy's call at about 03:26. However, he later formed the opinion that this was incorrect, as his statement of 13th September 1985 gives the time when he took Jeremy's call as 3:36 a.m.

And ADMITTED he could have 'recorded' the WRONG time. West CLEARLY knows he ballsed up and is trying to drag back some credibility. He made a mistake - that is FAR from proving Bamber innocent.