The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Jane]

Yes but can anyone give a credible alternative conversation to Julie's ? 

Bamber has put a block on discussing it. It seems his supporters and OS have been instructed to not bring it up or discuss the issue.

Rather depends on what you're expecting, Adam, doesn't it? I'm certain you're aware that a verbatim script can't be produced, besides which, I think it likely that whatever we come up with you're just going to disagree with. Was that not so, you wouldn't STILL be asking the question after the length of time spent on it yesterday.

[Adam]

Well it's more for supporters.

A 3am information update to Julie, fits perfectly to a guilty Bamber. It was a big mistake by him, but he felt it would never be an issue as he would never be charged.

It seems that Bamber has put a block on it and the OS and his supporters have been instructed to have a wall of silence on it.

[Adam]

Supporters can't just bring up certain things. And ignore others.

Similar to my 'How Sheila/Jeremy committed the massacre' deadline threads, I may have to create a deadline thread on this.

Guilters have a credible conversation suggestion on this. From one of the two witnesses - Julie. It fits perfectly with a guilty Bamber giving her an information update.

Bamber, the OS and supporters must have alternative credible suggestions on what Bamber and Julie said to each other. Toeing the party line and stone walling this issue is appalling behaviour.

[scipio_usmc]

It states "early hours." Thus far, no one in the house seems to have the correct handle on the time of it and Jeremy doesn't either.

How do you know that the 2 roommates who say they looked at their clocks were wrong? 

[Jan]

Yes but can anyone give a credible alternative conversation to Julie's ? 

Bamber has put a block on discussing it. It seems his supporters and OS have been instructed to not bring it up or discuss the issue.

where is your source for the block on discussing it?

[Jan]

How do you know that the 2 roommates who say they looked at their clocks were wrong?

because they had all been smoking pot?

And one said they just saw the figure 2?

How do we know that Julie was not telling the truth in her first statement ? One of them is a lie is it not?

[Jane]

How do you know that the 2 roommates who say they looked at their clocks were wrong?

When all concerned give different times I guess we pick which ever best fits the bill.

[scipio_usmc]

because they had all been smoking pot?

And one said they just saw the figure 2?

How do we know that Julie was not telling the truth in her first statement ? One of them is a lie is it not?

She admitted she didn't know the time she had to ask her roommates. The roommate who said she saw a 2 as the hour number supports the call being close to 3 unless her clock was way off but no one established it was.  The other roommate said her clock said 3:12 but she kept it 10 minutes fast which was verified.

Jeremy called police sometime after 3:20 and called Julie prior so it is clear Julie's initial claim was wrong. 

Smoking pot many hours earlier doesn't have an impact on their ability to read a clock.  You seem desperate to avoid facing that Julie's later claims are credible. Like Caroline you seem to have some issue with facing you were completely wrong about everything and trying to hold onto the notion you were just wrong about Jeremy being innocent.   

 

[Jan]

Jeremy only changed the times / sequence when the police said they could prove he was wrong -which they could not .

And I would not be surprised if Jeremy did perhaps call Julie first or in between calls . Later that would have course seemed like a stupid decision and so he tried to cover it up.

If he had planned the perfect murder he would have got all his times and sequences spot on - it was his alibi after all so he would have known what he was going to say.

[Caroline]

Jeremy only changed the times / sequence when the police said they could prove he was wrong -which they could not .

And I would not be surprised if Jeremy did perhaps call Julie first or in between calls . Later that would have course seemed like a stupid decision and so he tried to cover it up.

If he had planned the perfect murder he would have got all his times and sequences spot on - it was his alibi after all so he would have known what he was going to say.

He didn't plan the perfect murder, if he had, he'd have gotten away with it. I doubt he thought that he would ever be a suspect - that was his mistake.

[Adam]

because they had all been smoking pot?

And one said they just saw the figure 2?

How do we know that Julie was not telling the truth in her first statement ? One of them is a lie is it not?

Jan two witnesses under cross examination said the call was between 2.00am - 2.59am, and  3.02am.

Everyone has to go by what two independent witnesses say.

[Adam]

where is your source for the block on discussing it?

Jan you know Bamber has refused to comment on this over 30 years. Only testifying he rang Julie 'to hear a friendly voice'.

The OS has not mentioned it and accused Julie of lying and no supporters on here have offered an alternative conversation to Julie's.

Julie's WS of the conversation fits perfectly with a guilty and hyped up Bamber giving her an information update.

[Adam]

He didn't plan the perfect murder, if he had, he'd have gotten away with it. I doubt he thought that he would ever be a suspect - that was his mistake.

Caroline, did you ask Bamber about the 3am telephone call ?

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy only changed the times / sequence when the police said they could prove he was wrong -which they could not .

And I would not be surprised if Jeremy did perhaps call Julie first or in between calls . Later that would have course seemed like a stupid decision and so he tried to cover it up.

If he had planned the perfect murder he would have got all his times and sequences spot on - it was his alibi after all so he would have known what he was going to say.

You keep making the absurd claim that if he were guilty he would have planned the perfect murder and executed such plan perfectly.  It is exceedingly rare for someone to have the skill to plan the perfect crime and then to have enough luck that the plan goes perfect without any hitches.

Planning the perfect crime doesn't mean he will write down  on a sheet of paper and memorize the exact time he called police etc so he can later rattle off such with precision.

Forget it is possible he called Julie before police it is a fact he called Julie before police but lied about the order because calling her first is damning- at least to people who are unbiased.  While people like you who are in the tank for Jeremy are willing to excuse such Jeremy recognized such was a problem so he lied not expecting police to be able to figure out he lied.

[Adam]

You keep making the absurd claim that if he were guilty he would have planned the perfect murder and executed such plan perfectly.  It is exceedingly rare for someone to have the skill to plan the perfect crime and then to have enough luck that the plan goes perfect without any hitches.

Planning the perfect crime doesn't mean he will write down  on a sheet of paper and memorize the exact time he called police etc so he can later rattle off such with precision.

Forget it is possible he called Julie before police it is a fact he called Julie before police but lied about the order because calling her first is damning- at least to people who are unbiased.  While people like you who are in the tank for Jeremy are willing to excuse such Jeremy recognized such was a problem so he lied not expecting police to be able to figure out he lied.

Bamber himself said he called Julie before the police. Then changed his mind.

It makes sense that there was a 3am call to Julie.

He gave her an update. Then changed, got himself together before his 3.26am call to the police.

Calling Julie after the police may take too long. He would have to meet the police at WHF.