The 3am telephone call. What was said ?

[Adam]

If he had phoned Julie to hear a friendly voice, would she say 'go back to bed'.

Possible at 3am, but much more likely to say 'Go back to bed' if Bamber just gives her an information statement and doesn't ask for advice. Which is what Julie said Bamber said.

[Jane]

If he had phoned Julie to hear a friendly voice, would she say 'go back to bed'.

Possible at 3am, but much more likely to say 'Go back to bed' if Bamber just gives her an information statement and doesn't ask for advice. Which is what Julie said Bamber said.

Did he not tell her that he hadn't been to bed all night? That being the case, he couldn't have gone back.

[lookout]

He says his Dad phoned him sounds really scared, that his sister had gone crazy with the gun on a night that they had been talking about fostering and he had left a weapon out....

And he phones Julie before the police.

Seems clear what is wrong.

It obviously would seem clear from your point of view.

[Adam]

Bamber obviously thought Julie would be a friendly voice and they could have a nice chat. Even at 3am. How long he expected them to chat for I don't know.

The fact that Julie said 'go back to bed' suggests Bamber just gave her an information statement.

[Jane]

Bamber obviously thought Julie would be a friendly voice and they could have a nice chat. Even at 3am. How long he expected them to chat for I don't know.

The fact that Julie said 'go back to bed' suggests Bamber just gave her an information statement.

As Jeremy gives us no insight to their conversation we only have her version of it.

[Adam]

There were several witnesses to the phone call. Who were awake and gave times of the call. I understand another flatmate answered the phone.

It would be interesting if they heard what Julie said. Or could give an estimate of how long Julie spent on the phone.

Less than a minute on the phone would back up Julie. Or if they heard her say 'go back to bed' that's even better. Or maybe both.

[Adam]

This could be a reason why Bamber is so quiet on this issue.

Julie's flatmates can at the least back up what she said and the shortness of the conversation.

[Jane]

There were several witnesses to the phone call. Who were awake and gave times of the call. I understand another flatmate answered the phone.

It would be interesting if they heard what Julie said. Or could give an estimate of how long Julie spent on the phone.

Less than a minute on the phone would back up Julie. Or if they heard her say 'go back to bed' that's even better.

I guess that none of it would have mattered in the beginning but I'm getting a sense of your unwillingness to accept that Julie could put a foot wrong.

[Jane]

This could be a reason why Bamber is so quiet on this issue.

Julie's flatmates can at the least back up what she said and the shortness of the conversation.

Or back up what she said she said.

[Adam]

Or back up what she said she said.

Correct.

If Bamber rang to 'hear a friendly voice', the call would be over one minute. Perhaps several minutes.

Bamber would need to explain what had happened, how he feels and why he has rang her at 3am. There is also a strong chance Julie would attempt to assist him. At least Bamber thought that would happen.

Bamber just giving an information statement and Julie just saying 'go back to bed' will take one minute or less.

Flatmates confirming Julie was on the phone for only a minute or less, confirms her WS. Bamber did not phone for advice.

It is not surprising Bamber has kept so quiet on this. He really has made 'no comment' since 1985.

[Jane]

Correct.

If Bamber rang to 'hear a friendly voice', the call would be over one minute. Perhaps several minutes.

Bamber would need to explain what had happened, how he feels and why he has rang her at 3am. There is also a strong chance Julie would attempt to assist him. At least Bamber thought that would happen.

Bamber just giving an information statement and Julie just saying 'go back to bed' will take one minute or less.

Flatmates confirming Julie was on the phone for only a minute or less, confirms her WS. Bamber did not phone for advice.

It is not surprising Bamber has kept so quiet on this. He really has made 'no comment' since 1985.

Did the "It's tonight or never/Tonight's the night" conversation come right out of the blue OR might the possibility of it being sometime during the coming week have already been discussed? It's the sort of involvement that Julie wouldn't have wanted to confess to.

[Adam]

Bamber has attacked Julie from every angle. Even last year there was an 8 minute Youtube video.

Why hasn't he attacked Julie for saying 'go back to bed' after he rang her to 'hear a friendly voice' ?

Firstly because he originally said 'no comment' and then gave an unconvincing answer in court when asked why he rang her.

Secondly because he knows Julies flatmates can strongly support Julie's WS.

[Adam]

Did the "It's tonight or never/Tonight's the night" conversation come right out of the blue OR might the possibility of it being sometime during the coming week have already been discussed? It's the sort of involvement that Julie wouldn't have wanted to confess to.

It had been discussed. Julie said Bamber planned to use Sheila as a scapegoat. After abandoning the burning down  WHF plan.

[Jane]

Bamber has attacked Julie from every angle. Even last year there was an 8 minute Youtube video.

Why hasn't he attacked Julie for saying 'go back to bed' after he rang her to 'hear a friendly voice' ?

Firstly because he originally said 'no comment' and then gave an unconvincing answer in court when asked.

Secondly because he knows Julies flatmates can strongly support Julie's WS.

Perhaps you've never come across the expression "When you're in a hole, stop digging." Perhaps, regarding Julie, that's what Jeremy has done. Maybe it explains "No comment."

[Adam]

Perhaps you've never come across the expression "When you're in a hole, stop digging." Perhaps, regarding Julie, that's what Jeremy has done. Maybe it explains "No comment."

There was certainly a 10am phone call to Julie. This is more normal as boyfriends will speak to their girlfriends before bed.

Bamber was again very evasive on what was said in this. But at least didn't say 'no comment'.

It is perfectly plausible for Bamber to say 'tonight's the night' and 'it's now or never', at 10pm. Then ring Julie at 3am to tell her he 'hasn't slept all night'.