Colin said he would have killed June

[Alias]

In his book Colin did say that he couldn´t blame Jeremy for killing June because he would have done it himself! Jeremy saved him the trouble! He said that about someone who killed his children in the same sweep, so to say.
At the trial Colin couldn´t judge Jeremy for killing JUNE, he wanted to kill her himself.

But I don´t understand Colin here, Jeremy killed his sons! All he talks about is that he understands why he killed June!

Really confusing. Deeply dysfunctional - and if there is one thing we cannot talk about here: the dysfunction of the Bamber family. Where it all came from.

[guest154]

I don't think anyone disputes that it was a disfunctional family - it was a family plagued with mental illness (Sheila and June) and that is never a easy house to live in - nevermind the overly religious tones of the upbringing too.

I think Colin felt that way because he saw a lot of Sheilas problems to be brought on by June and by how June had raised Jeremy and Sheila. That in turn affected his children because Sheila was also struggling with mental illness and again, he laid the blame for this firmly with June.

Colin says he could have killed her - but he didn't. He didn't ACTUALLY plan on killing her and I don't think would ever have harmed her - nevermind murdered her in the middle of the night.

Jeremy did.

THAT is why it doesn't matter where "it all came from" - what matters is JEREMY killed them and he should be locked up and punished - thankfully he is.

[Alias]

I don't think anyone disputes that it was a disfunctional family - it was a family plagued with mental illness (Sheila and June) and that is never a easy house to live in - nevermind the overly religious tones of the upbringing too.

I think Colin felt that way because he saw a lot of Sheilas problems to be brought on by June and by how June had raised Jeremy and Sheila. That in turn affected his children because Sheila was also struggling with mental illness and again, he laid the blame for this firmly with June.

Colin says he could have killed her - but he didn't. He didn't ACTUALLY plan on killing her and I don't think would ever have harmed her - nevermind murdered her in the middle of the night.

Jeremy did.

THAT is why it doesn't matter where "it all came from" - what matters is JEREMY killed them and he should be locked up and punished - thankfully he is.

Thank you for your swift answer, It does matter to me however, someone killed their whole family, Jeremy or Sheila, something was wrong either way.

You do not kill your parents (siblings and children) if you are not deeply disturbed for some reason. There is something behind that. Whether it was Sheila or Jeremy - either way

[Alias]

It does matter to me where "it all came from".

[scipio_usmc]

In his book Colin did say that he couldn´t blame Jeremy for killing June because he would have done it himself! Jeremy saved him the trouble! He said that about someone who killed his children in the same sweep, so to say.
At the trial Colin couldn´t judge Jeremy for killing JUNE, he wanted to kill her himself.

But I don´t understand Colin here, Jeremy killed his sons! All he talks about is that he understands why he killed June!

Really confusing. Deeply dysfunctional - and if there is one thing we cannot talk about here: the dysfunction of the Bamber family. Where it all came from.

Julie thought Jeremy was just blowing off steam the same manner Colin did it.  She didn't expect him to actually do it.  Would Colin have actually done it?  Highly doubtful.

[Alias]

Somebody did though, for some reason. Kill their whole family.

[Alias]

Of course Colin would never do that! He came from a loving family and is doing very well now!

But either Sheila or Jeremy did.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-took-my-little-boys-647185&ved=0CDIQqQIoADAJOChqFQoTCJXEhIOnzccCFU9Z2wodaJoLuQ&usg=AFQjCNHUo6IwVBskC3jzPdq1fmML8FPWKQ&sig2=g_kK2XSKqbmdunTSPkoKBA

CC has no doubt it was Bamber.

[Alias]

Colin is not impartial - even though he said something I will never understand - if he believed Jeremy killed his children.

He said when the police rang on his door: "She finally did it"

[Jane]

It does matter to me where "it all came from".

Which is exactly what I've been trying to find out since I joined the forum.

In that I don't believe that anything JUST happens out of the blue/for no reason, I suppose I will never fit into Scipio's idea of what a "reasonable thinking person" is. So be it. He deals only with the presented scene. I deal with what caused the scene to be presented and in order to do that I have to look beneath the presenting surface. What I see is a family which had been in turmoil for a long time. Turmoil possibly exacerbated by trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

[Jan]

I don't think anyone disputes that it was a disfunctional family - it was a family plagued with mental illness (Sheila and June) and that is never a easy house to live in - nevermind the overly religious tones of the upbringing too.

I think Colin felt that way because he saw a lot of Sheilas problems to be brought on by June and by how June had raised Jeremy and Sheila. That in turn affected his children because Sheila was also struggling with mental illness and again, he laid the blame for this firmly with June.

Colin says he could have killed her - but he didn't. He didn't ACTUALLY plan on killing her and I don't think would ever have harmed her - nevermind murdered her in the middle of the night.

Jeremy did.

THAT is why it doesn't matter where "it all came from" - what matters is JEREMY killed them and he should be locked up and punished - thankfully he is.

He did say he was surprised he was not arrested at one point because I think he said these things in front of a witness.

I think Alias is just making the point that things in that house could have been more complicated than even we realised - whatever the outcome

[Jan]

Which is exactly what I've been trying to find out since I joined the forum.

In that I don't believe that anything JUST happens out of the blue/for no reason, I suppose I will never fit into Scipio's idea of what a "reasonable thinking person" is. So be it. He deals only with the presented scene. I deal with what caused the scene to be presented and in order to do that I have to look beneath the presenting surface. What I see is a family which had been in turmoil for a long time. Turmoil possibly exacerbated by trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

And because they kept things to themselves there may have been more going on than even we know.

Its like all the scenarios of  Jeremy threatened Sheila to make her crouch in the corner to be shot in the right way that's why she did not even put her hands up to defend herself - its supposition.

We don't know what was said after Jeremy left the house at all.

[Jane]

I don't think anyone disputes that it was a disfunctional family - it was a family plagued with mental illness (Sheila and June) and that is never a easy house to live in - nevermind the overly religious tones of the upbringing too.

I think Colin felt that way because he saw a lot of Sheilas problems to be brought on by June and by how June had raised Jeremy and Sheila. That in turn affected his children because Sheila was also struggling with mental illness and again, he laid the blame for this firmly with June.

Colin says he could have killed her - but he didn't. He didn't ACTUALLY plan on killing her and I don't think would ever have harmed her - nevermind murdered her in the middle of the night.

Jeremy did.

THAT is why it doesn't matter where "it all came from" - what matters is JEREMY killed them and he should be locked up and punished - thankfully he is.

Mat, I totally agree...........................OTHER :D than to say that it's because of where "it all came from" that caused Jeremy to do what he did.

[Caroline]

Thank you for your swift answer, It does matter to me however, someone killed their whole family, Jeremy or Sheila, something was wrong either way.

You do not kill your parents (siblings and children) if you are not deeply disturbed for some reason. There is something behind that. Whether it was Sheila or Jeremy - either way

There was something behind it, he wanted his inheritance. It's true that a lot of things from their childhood contributed to who they became but that's not an excuse.

[lookout]

Jeremy would NOT have pumped 25 rounds into the family,nor would he have shot the twins. In fact he wouldn't have killed any of them. It was a completely frenzied and insane massacre,only concentrated in the kitchen and main bedroom leaving the rest of the farmhouse undisturbed.

EP knew that Jeremy wasn't exaggerating when he'd told them that his sister had problems,as they heard from neighbours and friends,one neighbour in particular had said she was,quote, " either the sickest woman in the world or she was on something.Her eyes would follow you everywhere,unquote "
Another neighbour mentioned the screaming in the early hours wakening the neighbours shouting " the world is evil-----------you are evil ".
Some family friends had told the press that she was mixed up in drugs and caused her parents nothing but worry and heartache .

These observations were taken from an excerpt of the Murder Casebook.