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Jackiepreece

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2011, 07:14:PM »
Just about to post you a pm

I will post tonight details of what the QC who has been helping me sent re Freemasons and the judicial system

chochokeira

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« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2011, 07:24:PM »
Just about to post you a pm

I will post tonight details of what the QC who has been helping me sent re Freemasons and the judicial system

Thanks, Jackie, I'll be interested to read that.

Jackiepreece

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2011, 08:41:PM »
ChochokeiraThanks for those directions I havent been to Canary Wharf before its amazing x

Jon I will pm you later I have just got back

chochokeira

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« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2011, 09:19:PM »
ChochokeiraThanks for those directions I havent been to Canary Wharf before its amazing x

Jon I will pm you later I have just got back

Well done, Jackie!

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2011, 09:43:PM »
Tolleshunt D'Arcy - masonic Photo: Dr John Henry Salter, on the right, with Lord....need to check in Salter's Diary...on the left, both wearing full masonic regalia and outside what I believe to have been their Lodge in Essex.

What I don't know is which Lodge this was, though I should be able to determine this by looking through Salter's diary for this too.

Does anyone know which lodge Robert Boutflour belonged to? My guess is that it's likely to have been the same lodge as Salter's as they were both D'Arcy men.

I've found a picture of John Salter stating that he'd just been made Grand Master of the Provincial Essex Lodge, details of which are here:

http://www.essex-lodges.org/#

However the doorway in the photograph I've posted here looks different to the one at the Provincial Lodge. Also,  Salter does not appear to have so much finery on his masonic apron in the photo I've posted here as he does in the photo of him as Grand Master. So the picture I've posted here could relate to another lodge.

The problem is there are masses of these masonic lodges in Essex.

Jackiepreece

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2011, 09:54:PM »
Chochokeira
You are brilliant at photography, brilliant with your posts you should be working in the media!!!

chochokeira

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« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2011, 10:16:PM »
Chochokeira
You are brilliant at photography, brilliant with your posts you should be working in the media!!!

Oh, thank you, Jackie, but I'm not that good.

Jackiepreece

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2011, 10:48:PM »
You are and you put so much detail if Mike was ever I'll you could easily fill in !

chochokeira

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2011, 12:43:AM »
You are and you put so much detail if Mike was ever I'll you could easily fill in !

Oh, no, no,no,no,no, I go glassy eyed over bullets and silencers, Jackie.
Anyway, I've messed up over Boutflour, he was a Wix man, not a D'Arcy man, wasn't he? The rest of his lot are D'Arcy, Goldhanger and Totham people, but he wasn't one.

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2011, 03:35:AM »
Do you have any photographs of the "Masonic Hall" where Ralph Bamber, Robert Woodwis Boutflour, and other police officers, who were witnesses in this case, were members?
Out of interest, was Jeremy a mason.

chochokeira

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2011, 01:24:PM »
Tolleshunt D'Arcy - masonic Photo: Dr John Henry Salter, on the right, with Lord....need to check in Salter's Diary...on the left, both wearing full masonic regalia and outside what I believe to have been their Lodge in Essex.

What I don't know is which Lodge this was, though I should be able to determine this by looking through Salter's diary for this too.

Does anyone know which lodge Robert Boutflour belonged to? My guess is that it's likely to have been the same lodge as Salter's as they were both D'Arcy men.

Freemasons.

I was wrong in saying that Robert Boutflour was a D'Arcy man, he wasn't, he was a Wix man by adoption. However, having had  a quick look at Dr Salter's Diary it does appear that Boutflour could still have attended one of the lodges that was once attended by Salter.

Salter's Diary has him as member of two lodges: the small lodge of Easterford, at Kelvedon and the much larger Provincial Grand Lodge of Essex, one of the largest in the country and much more prestigious than that of Kelvedon.

What's interesting about the Provincial Grand Lodge of Essex is that, though based in Wickford, it also met at Colchester.

Looking at the location of Wix, where Boutflour lived at Carbonnells Farm, he could have attended lodges at Manningtree, Harwich, Mistley or another lodge in that area, however, Colchester wasn't that much further away for him. I wonder if he did what Salter did and, in addition to joining a small local lodge, was a member of the more prestigious Provincial Grand Lodge of Essex, attending meetings at Colchester? certainly events there would have been grander and more attractive.

As Boutflour was involved in the family's camp site business at Goldhanger and his family owned farms around there he might have used visits to Goldhanger as a base from which to travel to Colchester for Essex Lodge meetings.
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chochokeira

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2011, 01:29:PM »
Do you have any photographs of the "Masonic Hall" where Ralph Bamber, Robert Woodwis Boutflour, and other police officers, who were witnesses in this case, were members?
Out of interest, was Jeremy a mason.

I would be surprised if he was as he was so young when he was imprisoned, Cliff.

John

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2011, 01:53:PM »
Do you have any photographs of the "Masonic Hall" where Ralph Bamber, Robert Woodwis Boutflour, and other police officers, who were witnesses in this case, were members?
Out of interest, was Jeremy a mason.

Certainly not!

Jackiepreece

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2011, 01:54:PM »
jackiepreece Apr 10 13:16   
@banffersQC Could you explain to me what a Mason is and could a Mason have a powerful influence in the legal world?

banffersQC Apr 10 13:23   
@jackiepreece by Mason I presume you mean a Freemason?


jackiepreece Apr 10 13:37   
@banffersQC Sorry I did mean Freemason ?



banffersQC Apr 10 13:41   
@jackiepreece In which case I think the purported influence of freemasonry on the bar and the judiciary is much overblown.

So straight from the horses mouth or should I say QC s mouth no denial as to it going on just not as much as everyone thinks

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Re: Tolleshunt D'Arcy - the village
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2011, 02:02:PM »
if jermy had been a mason i think there would be some record of it.

theres no mention of him ever atending lodge meetings or anything.

and i think there would of been by now if he was a mason.