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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #405 on: August 16, 2015, 11:13:AM »






Umpteenth time------------where's this MOUNTAIN of evidence ??

Upteenth time - post 399 and 401.

31 forensic points. Yes I did say 31.

Oh dear.
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« Reply #406 on: August 16, 2015, 11:16:AM »
Upteenth time - post 399 and 401.

31 forensic points. Yes I did say 31.

Oh dear.







NO forensics------------oh double dear !

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« Reply #407 on: August 16, 2015, 11:18:AM »
For April.

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet. For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor. In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force. Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled. He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect. Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.

519. Having studied with care the statement of Mr Ismail, we concluded that this was expert evidence capable of belief. Indeed if it had been given and if cross-examination had not revealed flaws in it (which we consider unlikely bearing in mind that there was no application to call any expert evidence to contradict it), had we been on a jury hearing such evidence we might well have been very impressed by it. That evidence in itself could have led to a conclusion of guilt quite apart from the many other matters relied upon by the prosecution at trial. However, we were not satisfied that evidence of this kind was not available at the date of trial if the prosecution had sought to explore these matters and more importantly we thought that Mr Turner was right in his submission that it was very difficult to gauge with sufficient certainty the reaction of a jury to it particularly when we could not judge it against all the related evidence in the trial, which we had not heard.

520. Our conclusion was that we should not therefore admit the evidence and we have had no regard to it in reaching our conclusion. It can, however, be said about it that if it had been called at trial, it may well have represented yet another formidable string to the prosecution's bow in a case where even without any regard to that evidence, it has to be said that the prosecution were able to put forward a very strong case pointing to guilt.
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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #408 on: August 16, 2015, 11:21:AM »






NO forensics------------oh double dear !

This is why I said you just post on here for attention.

Rather than accept the 31 points and try to discredit them, you just say they do not exist. Although they are in front of you're eyes.
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« Reply #409 on: August 16, 2015, 11:26:AM »
In short Mr Ismail says Sheila died with her head leaning against a cupboard.

However the photographs have Sheila's head a long way from the cupboard.

Meaning her legs were pulled after she died.
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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #410 on: August 16, 2015, 11:36:AM »
I think someone's pulling your leg !

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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #411 on: August 16, 2015, 02:05:PM »
strange that because did not two officers say they saw her/ her head  in a different position - lets hope it was not the police who moved her body after checking the rifle and checking to see if she was alive.

Also one has to ask if she was murdered - why on earth would the murderer move her body?

And forensic evidence would be the prints of the murderer on her body proving that he had done it - or even finding one piece of the clothing he wore .

I still have not seen one piece of forensic evidence that links Jeremy to the murder  because if there was it would be proof and none of us would be here debating the case.

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« Reply #412 on: August 16, 2015, 02:37:PM »
Is it correct that there was no forensic evidence ?

Bamber's footprints and fingerprints will be all over the house. He was a regular visitor. Either sneaking through windows to look at wills, or popping over for supper and a rabbit massacre. So no possible joy for the police here.

Bamber had a month to dispose of clothes. Even so John Hayward found human blood on Bamber's jacket, bathrobe and in his car.

There is the bible that landed on top of Sheila's blood.

There is Sheila's legs being pulled after she had been shot.

There is the time scale the judge mentioned - 3.26am - 3.48am. It is impossible for Sheila to have committed the massacre in this time.

There is the fact that no one can explain how Sheila committed the massacre, which matches the forensic crime scene.

The crime was committed by Sheila or Bamber. There is a lot of forensic evidence (20 points) showing it was not Sheila, which has been posted several times.  Which automatically shows it was Bamber.

June being shot with her head on the pillow is forensic evidence pointing to Bamber rather than Sheila.

The twins not waking is forensic evidence pointing to an execution, rather than a long term crazy woman episode.

There is the silencer evidence.

There is the found hack saw which Bamber admitted using to get in and out of WHF. But apparently not on the massacre night.

There is the discovery that the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside.


So the answer to the question is -

There is forensic evidence linking Bamber to the crime.
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« Reply #413 on: August 16, 2015, 02:39:PM »
I don't know why Jan and Lookout say there is no forensic evidence linking Bamber to the crime.

Even Mike does not claim this.

Caroline, April and Susan did not claim it either when they were supporters. They just tried to dispute the evidence.
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« Reply #414 on: August 16, 2015, 02:55:PM »
Forensics are literally blood,sweat and tears,etc. Was there any trace of Jeremy's presence ? Fingerprints when he " stage-managed " everyone ? Blood on the sills which was Jeremy's ? Fibres shed during the " massive struggle " with his father ? Sweat on the rifle as he tore round the farmhouse shooting everyone ? Fingerprints on the scattered bullets as he nervously re-loaded ? Bloodied footprints,or did he leap over pools of blood like an athlete ? As whatever he'd had on his feet would have left their mark.

Blood found on Jeremy's jacket,bathrobe and car must not have been of any significance since it would have been used as proof-----------but alas,it meant nothing.
There was NO forensic evidence whatsoever.!! Just hearsay and circumstantial. Why oh why did he have to smile at the funerals,tut tut ?

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« Reply #415 on: August 16, 2015, 02:56:PM »
I suppose if there is a mountain of forensic evidence to fire fight, just to keep saying there isn't any is easier.
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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #416 on: August 16, 2015, 05:12:PM »
Upteenth time - post 399 and 401.

31 forensic points. Yes I did say 31.

Oh dear.

are you expecting us to read your posts then.

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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #417 on: August 16, 2015, 05:27:PM »
FGS can someone spell out to a certain poster what "forensic evidence putting someone at the scene of the crime at the time of the crime" means.

I cant take it any longer .

I may have to bury him under the mountain of forensic evidence - but that would not work - because there is NONE

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« Reply #418 on: August 16, 2015, 05:36:PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I know how you feel.

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Re: Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.
« Reply #419 on: August 16, 2015, 06:10:PM »
FGS can someone spell out to a certain poster what "forensic evidence putting someone at the scene of the crime at the time of the crime" means.

I cant take it any longer .

I may have to bury him under the mountain of forensic evidence - but that would not work - because there is NONE

I am afraid the forensic evidence makes Jeremy guilty.

He was already on very thin ice as there was only two suspects.

I could probably find more forensic evidence. Today I mentioned Sheila's legs being pulled after she died. Which an expert for the 2002 appeal confirmed happened.

But for now, 31 forensic examples is more than enough.

Jan has followed Lookout and decided not to contest the forensic evidence. Just claim it does not exist and that I don't know what forensic evidence is. Just as she claimed I didn't know what a primary source was. When I created a thread on Primary Sources she sulked and said she was 'taking a break from the site'.

Then Jan brings up useless issues like hand swaps and claims it is a MOJ with nothing to back this claim up. At least she is no longer saying Jeremy is innocent. Leave that to Lookout and Mike.
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