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Offline David1819

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2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« on: September 01, 2015, 05:54:PM »
The CCRC produced a 100 or 120 page report on the decision to refuse Jeremy to the court of appeal.

I cant find this anywhere. Only the 2002 appeal can be found online, however the 2012 report I am talking about is not made public like the appeal court decisions are this is just a CCRC document.

Did Simon Mckays firm ever release the documents to the public domain?

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 06:08:PM »
The CCRC produced a 100 or 120 page report on the decision to refuse Jeremy to the court of appeal.

I cant find this anywhere. Only the 2002 appeal can be found online, however the 2012 report I am talking about is not made public like the appeal court decisions are this is just a CCRC document.

Did Simon Mckays firm ever release the documents to the public domain?

There are actually 2 CCRC decisions, one was preliminary, the defense had a chance to respond then another was produced which was final.  At first Jeremy's supporters said they would release the reports when the legal process was complete (the appeals to the courts completed).  But they decided not to do so after the COA ruled against them and upheld the CCRC rejection.

You can take it 3 ways:

1) The campaign team didn't want the public to see the rejection so the public can continue believing claims that were bogus (such rejected claims are still advanced by the campaign team)

2) Jeremy decided he didn't want it released so the public doesn't see the problems with their claims and still might support him because of such claims

3) The legal team didn't want to be bothered scanning the documents that highlighted deficiencies in their claims and it certainly is not their job to publish such.  They would only do so if instructed to do so not on their own.

Obviously if it had been favorable then they would have taken the time to release it. It is unclear who posted the online message on the Bamber site who had promised to release it when all was said and done. I am hardly surprised they didn't follow through with the promise.
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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 06:10:PM »
The link for this is on the Official Web Site.

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 06:20:PM »
The link for this is on the Official Web Site.

The site has no link to either CCRC decision related to the 2010 submission.
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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 06:30:PM »
The site has no link to either CCRC decision related to the 2010 submission.






Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission :: Crimeline.
It's 2012 not 2010.

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 07:31:PM »





Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission :: Crimeline.
It's 2012 not 2010.

Thanks lookout but that's just the summary that the CCRC gives to the public. Its not the full report.

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 09:18:PM »
Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission :: Crimeline.
It's 2012 not 2010.

The submission was made in 2010.  You are referring to the case filed in the Court of Appeal against the CCRC while David asked wanted a copy of the CCRC ruling itself.
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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 10:24:PM »
Thanks lookout but that's just the summary that the CCRC gives to the public. Its not the full report.







What do you mean by the full report ? Because I've downloaded the full transcript of the stenograph notes. Thursday 29th November 2012.

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 10:33:PM »
What do you mean by the full report ? Because I've downloaded the full transcript of the stenograph notes. Thursday 29th November 2012.

There are these 5 things:

1) Submission by Jeremy
2) Preliminary CCRC decision
3) Response by the defense to the preliminary decision
4) Final CCRC decision
5) Appeal Proceeding in the Court of Appeal

1 and 5 have been released publicly.  What we would like to see is bullet 4, also 2 and 3 but 4 for sure. Originally his site promised to post it but they reneged.

   

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 10:40:PM »
There are 50 paragraphs of court proceedings headed by President of the Queens Bench Division Sir John Thomas and  Mr Justice Globe.

4---The Procedural Background.?

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 12:40:AM »
There are 50 paragraphs of court proceedings headed by President of the Queens Bench Division Sir John Thomas and  Mr Justice Globe.

4---The Procedural Background.?

But the decision doesn't go through all the claims and why the CCRC rejected them all. Jeremy only appealed on some of the grounds and the court simply gave a short summation of what those grounds were and why they failed. It would be helpful to see the full CCRC rejection.
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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 08:54:AM »
 Just highlight the" Case Review" as seen on the  Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission.

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 10:57:AM »
The up to date statistics for the CCRC don't look very healthy :

Referred 595 cases for appeal.
Received 19,733 applications.
864 cases under review.
Completed 18,350 cases ( including ineligible cases )
Of the 573 cases heard by the appeal courts so far,392 appeals have been allowed and 167 dismissed. 

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Re: 2012 CCRC decision report. Where is it?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 01:03:PM »
The up to date statistics for the CCRC don't look very healthy :

Referred 595 cases for appeal.
Received 19,733 applications.
864 cases under review.
Completed 18,350 cases ( including ineligible cases )
Of the 573 cases heard by the appeal courts so far,392 appeals have been allowed and 167 dismissed.

It shows they are good at sorting the wheat from the chaff - if they all got through, there would be something VERY wrong.
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