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Offline Jan

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2015, 06:42:PM »
I have seen it in a thread but Its not in the archives I don't think

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2015, 06:43:PM »
It's not.

Seen it discussed, never seen the actual letter.
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2015, 06:48:PM »
All the more difficult to reconcile on your own. If it were me, I'd have to tell someone (although I'd never get that far and I would tell as soon as I found out).


It would have been one hell of a burden for her to carry. I'd be really interested to know if her drinking/ /drug taking increased during that time OR if there was any kind of personality change. Of course, if she confided in a doctor/counsellor/priest we'll never know.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #78 on: August 07, 2015, 06:58:PM »

It would have been one hell of a burden for her to carry. I'd be really interested to know if her drinking/ /drug taking increased during that time OR if there was any kind of personality change. Of course, if she confided in a doctor/counsellor/priest we'll never know.

She ratted him out and sent him to prison.  That is something which rectifies matters and causes your conscience to clear.  Not telling anyone and letting him get away with it is the kind of thing that causes  anguish people deal with my substances and the like. The truth shall set you free...

 
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2015, 07:04:PM »
She ratted him out and sent him to prison.  That is something which rectifies matters and causes your conscience to clear.  Not telling anyone and letting him get away with it is the kind of thing that causes  anguish people deal with my substances and the like. The truth shall set you free...
Cannot believe in your world you really believe it was OK for JM to stay with Jeremy, support him at the funeral and sleep with him when he had killed 5 people in such a cruel way.  She even stayed at Colin's house with \Jeremy, what was that about?  I know it's easy to judge and \I try not to but her behaviour is beyond me, wasn't she terrified apart from anything?  She spoke about it to 5 people so she can't have been that frightened of him........ :o :o :o

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #80 on: August 07, 2015, 07:09:PM »
She ratted him out and sent him to prison.  That is something which rectifies matters and causes your conscience to clear.  Not telling anyone and letting him get away with it is the kind of thing that causes  anguish people deal with my substances and the like. The truth shall set you free...


Personally, I think it may take her several lifetimes to clear from her conscience the fact, that had she ratted sooner, those two little boys may have been leading happy fulfilled lives and heading towards 40. I'm not saying it will be there every waking moment, but in the wee small hours OR when something triggers her memory, they WILL come back to her.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2015, 07:16:PM »
Cannot believe in your world you really believe it was OK for JM to stay with Jeremy, support him at the funeral and sleep with him when he had killed 5 people in such a cruel way.  She even stayed at Colin's house with \Jeremy, what was that about?  I know it's easy to judge and \I try not to but her behaviour is beyond me, wasn't she terrified apart from anything?  She spoke about it to 5 people so she can't have been that frightened of him........ :o :o :o

Who said in my world it was ok?  I have repeatedly criticized her for not telling the truth right away. Saying I understand why didn't come forward immediately but that it was wrong for her to not do so hardly condones her behavior.

I am not going to delude myself into thinking she blames herself for their deaths and can't come to grips with it.  If Jeremy got away with it because she didn't come forward then she would have a lot to think about. She didn't stay silent though so has no secret she is keeping that is eating away at her and thus is not feeling guilty.

 

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2015, 07:22:PM »
Who said in my world it was ok?  I have repeatedly criticized her for not telling the truth right away. Saying I understand why didn't come forward immediately but that it was wrong for her to not do so hardly condones her behavior.

I am not going to delude myself into thinking she blames herself for their deaths and can't come to grips with it.  If Jeremy got away with it because she didn't come forward then she would have a lot to think about. She didn't stay silent though so has no secret she is keeping that is eating away at her and thus is not feeling guilty.


Does this have to do with the absolution granted during confession? It sounds very much as if you're saying that whatever crime is committed, providing one confesses, one conscience can thus be cleared. Where is the bit about taking responsibility for one's own actions?

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2015, 07:24:PM »
Who said in my world it was ok?  I have repeatedly criticized her for not telling the truth right away. Saying I understand why didn't come forward immediately but that it was wrong for her to not do so hardly condones her behavior.

I am not going to delude myself into thinking she blames herself for their deaths and can't come to grips with it.  If Jeremy got away with it because she didn't come forward then she would have a lot to think about. She didn't stay silent though so has no secret she is keeping that is eating away at her and thus is not feeling guilty.







No---------she didn't " stay silent ",far from it. A 32 page statement,if you can possibly decipher it,signed by S.Jones himself------yeah,who else ?
Now tell me that there wasn't some coercion going on. The instigator of 3/4 of what was written.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2015, 07:40:PM »

Does this have to do with the absolution granted during confession? It sounds very much as if you're saying that whatever crime is committed, providing one confesses, one conscience can thus be cleared. Where is the bit about taking responsibility for one's own actions?

Timing is crucial . So I agree . In her statement she says she knew he had done it on the night - so she could have stopped him very nearly getting away with it. I don't believe she was frightened - she does not come across as a shrinking violet.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2015, 07:55:PM »

Does this have to do with the absolution granted during confession? It sounds very much as if you're saying that whatever crime is committed, providing one confesses, one conscience can thus be cleared. Where is the bit about taking responsibility for one's own actions?

It has nothing to do with religion it has to do with human nature.

People who know someone is guilty but conceal their knowledge will often agonize over such.  They often drink, do drugs or something else to cope with their guilt.  Sometimes they will finally come forward after years because they can't take it anymore.  This has to do with the guilt of keeping a secret when that secret is out you no longer still agonize over the decision to keep it secret.  You no longer have to consider whether to continue to keep it a secret or not.   

Confession is about recognizing your behavior was wrong, doing penance for it and pledging you will strive not to do it again.  You are not absolved simply because you told a priest.  You have to actually be sorry and say you will try not to do it again. If you just go confess the same sin over and over again without any earnest effort to change your ways it amounts to nothing.

During confession we say the Act of Contrition:

"O my God I am heartily sorry for having offended thee, and I detest all my sins because of your just            punishments, but most of all because they offend you, my God, who are all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of your grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin."

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2015, 08:01:PM »

Personally, I think it may take her several lifetimes to clear from her conscience the fact, that had she ratted sooner, those two little boys may have been leading happy fulfilled lives and heading towards 40. I'm not saying it will be there every waking moment, but in the wee small hours OR when something triggers her memory, they WILL come back to her.

She should have been sent to prison.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2015, 08:11:PM »
She should have been sent to prison.

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quite right she got off too light (not in her bank account)

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2015, 08:14:PM »
She should have been sent to prison.


Hartley, I find it very difficult to see that what she did was any less bad -in fact I think it was worse- than what Maxine Carr was imprisoned for.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2015, 08:16:PM »

Hartley, I find it very difficult to see that what she did was any less bad -in fact I think it was worse- than what Maxine Carr was imprisoned for.

Yes, I agree.