The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[Steve_uk]

Some people do seem to have an innate compass inside their head and others are totally clueless as to any sense of direction whatsoever. I feel from what I have read Jeremy was in the former category. Inspired by a good geography teacher at school he flourished in the subject. He often liked to explore new terrain and must have often surveyed the Blackwater Estuary environment. Just one of the many strange coincidences which contrived this tragedy.

Another favourite subject was maths,particularly arithmetic as he applied it to the takings at Osea Road in particular at board meetings and could see when the family finances were at their zenith. His third interest at school was chemistry,and again this manifested itself in an interest in poisons to slip into Nevill's gin and tonic,though realizing that cyanide might be traced he renounced this plan in favour of the shootings.

[Jan]

Some people do seem to have an innate compass inside their head and others are totally clueless as to any sense of direction whatsoever. I feel from what I have read Jeremy was in the former category. Inspired by a good geography teacher at school he flourished in the subject. He often liked to explore new terrain and must have often surveyed the Blackwater Estuary environment. Just one of the many strange coincidences which contrived this tragedy.

Another favourite subject was maths,particularly arithmetic as he applied it to the takings at Osea Road in particular at board meetings and could see when the family finances were at their zenith. His third interest at school was chemistry,and again this manifested itself in an interest in poisons to slip into Nevill's gin and tonic,though realizing that cyanide might be traced he renounced this plan in favour of the shootings.

I am guessing the last bit is according to Julie - which would make her not saying anything  even worse.

[Steve_uk]

I am guessing the last bit is according to Julie - which would make her not saying anything  even worse.

Well it ties in indirectly with Charles Marsden's statement when Jeremy told him shortly before Christmas 1984 in the Frog & Beans in Colchester that "if the Farm burns down then everything will be mine".

[Caroline]

Do you think "bending the truth"  or buying statements for the "noble cause" is corrupt or acceptable ?

If you think the silencer was a red herring and it turns out it was manipulated as evidence is that corrupt or not? 

Just a question I am not saying that is what happened.

I think it happens all of the time Jan - No I don't agree with it but rather that than a guilty person walking free to murder someone else.

[Jan]

Well it ties in indirectly with Charles Marsden's statement when Jeremy told him shortly before Christmas 1984 in the Frog & Beans in Colchester that "if the Farm burns down then everything will be mine".

you mean the fact that the family would be in there? Because they did not own the farm so there would have been no insurance money or anything .

[Jan]

I think it happens all of the time Jan - No I don't agree with it but rather that than a guilty person walking free to murder someone else.

But it is still corruption and you would assume that there was only a need to do this when there was not enough evidence. So in other words a gut feeling . But it is not acceptable apparently to have a gut feeling the other way?

[Steve_uk]

you mean the fact that the family would be in there? Because they did not own the farm so there would have been no insurance money or anything .

Well they were underinsured which is the main reason Jeremy abandoned the plan-not because he didn't want them all dead.

[Caroline]

But it is still corruption and you would assume that there was only a need to do this when there was not enough evidence. So in other words a gut feeling . But it is not acceptable apparently to have a gut feeling the other way?

Isn't it?

[Steve_uk]

Just thinking that he took a risk replacing the silencer back in the gun cupboard because he could have trailed blood from anywhere in the house into that area.

[scipio_usmc]

Well they were underinsured which is the main reason Jeremy abandoned the plan-not because he didn't want them all dead.

It was more than just an issue of insurance.  There was no way to ensure all the victims would die in a fire.  if any lived then the fire was for nothing.  It is possible to tell whether people died from fire or not so killing them then starting a fire doesn't help either it shows that someone committed murder and tried to cover it up with arson or used the arson to destroy evidence.

[lookout]

Just thinking that he took a risk replacing the silencer back in the gun cupboard because he could have trailed blood from anywhere in the house into that area.

Only someone not in their right mind would do something like that. It begs wanting to be caught or not being bothered if they were------------which wouldn't have been on Jeremy's mind.

[Adam]

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2015-07-29/yorkshire-author-writes-book-about-jeremy-bamber-case/

[Steve_uk]

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2015-07-29/yorkshire-author-writes-book-about-jeremy-bamber-case/

Thirty years on it's not looking hopeful for Jeremy,who may well be parcelled up in perpituity..

[tyler]

Obviously he couldn't find any corruption. Otherwise it would be front page news. So his boast that he was going to expose it was simply...a boast.

After investigating the case PH came to the conclusion of Bamber's guilt.

If you remember back,PH stated that although he couldnt say either way whether Jeremy was indeed guilty or not,he did feel JB's case was a MOJ. He made that decision AFTER he had seemingly researched the case. He previously believed the silencer evidence to be corrupt,along with the investigation and some of its main players and he had said he could prove it. I understood that exposing the corruption was the purpose of his writing the book.hence the original title being 'Dead bodies don't move'. Even if PH came to the conclusion of JB's guilt,it doesn't alter what he allegedly uncovered with regards to the investigation. Due to the legal implications,I dont believe that anyone will ever be able to write a book revealing the truth behind this case (whether JB guilty or not),certainly not in our lifetime anyway.

[Steve_uk]

If you remember back,PH stated that although he couldnt say either way whether Jeremy was indeed guilty or not,he did feel JB's case was a MOJ. He made that decision AFTER he had seemingly researched the case. He previously believed the silencer evidence to be corrupt,along with the investigation and some of its main players and he had said he could prove it. I understood that exposing the corruption was the purpose of his writing the book.hence the original title being 'Dead bodies don't move'. Even if PH came to the conclusion of JB's guilt,it doesn't alter what he allegedly uncovered with regards to the investigation. Due to the legal implications,I dont believe that anyone will ever be able to write a book revealing the truth behind this case (whether JB guilty or not),certainly not in our lifetime anyway.

All the research points to Jeremy's guilt;even such a clandestine family as the Bambers has been scrutinized with a fine tooth comb and once the tittle tattle has been sifted and discarded the salient facts bear testament to this.