The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[Caroline]

Justice that does not mean the guy is speaking the truth he could have a debt to settle with Jeremy or Jeremy could have been showing off and just told the guy I am not saying PH did not get a letter.  Wonder why he did not come forward earlier unless he did and PH did not take him seriously at the beginning. Best to keep an open mind over an anonymous letter.

It wasn't anonymous, he knows who sent it.

[susan]

It wasn't anonymous, he knows who sent it.

Caroline
I am not disputing that but it is not forced to be true how would PH or you or indeed anyone of us know It is Julie all over again but she stood up in Court.   By the way this book has not affected the way I feel about Jeremy guess I am disappointed I was expecting more.

[scipio_usmc]

So what are his legal team going to do now ? Throw the towel in ?

Jeremy's legal team can go to Jeremy and ask Jeremy if he did tell these things to any prisoners and could ask if the claims are true and then ask why he didn't tell them sooner so they could have tried to use it at trial.

It is obvious to me that even if Jeremy did tell such things to fellow inmates that it was made up simply.

The notion Jeremy talked Sheila into killing anyone and trusted her not to shoot him instead is not credible in the least. The notion she did it and then he tried to help cover for her by getting her to clean herself up and dispose of her clothes is not credible either.  If even a small portion of it were true he would have told such to Julie and his lawyers.  If this actually was from him and not made up by the person who talked to Harrison then it means Jeremy wasn't even able to think up these fairytales until after he was convicted and did so simply to try to get fellow prisoners to lay off him.

[scipio_usmc]

Caroline
I am not disputing that but it is not forced to be true how would PH or you or indeed anyone of us know It is Julie all over again but she stood up in Court.   By the way this book has not affected the way I feel about Jeremy guess I am disappointed I was expecting more.

My expectations apparently were met, I didn't anticipate anything of value.

[Caroline]

Caroline
I am not disputing that but it is not forced to be true how would PH or you or indeed anyone of us know It is Julie all over again but she stood up in Court.   By the way this book has not affected the way I feel about Jeremy guess I am disappointed I was expecting more.

Know if the guy is telling the truth? We don't, but why would he lie? If this man wanted to kick JB in the teeth, all he had to say is that he confessed to him. PH is putting the story out there, it's up to you whether you believe it or not BUT, I think you have previously suggested that Sheila may have been involved yourself in the past?

[Caroline]

Jeremy's legal team can go to Jeremy and ask Jeremy if he did tell these things to any prisoners and could ask if the claims are true and then ask why he didn't tell them sooner so they could have tried to use it at trial.

It is obvious to me that even if Jeremy did tell such things to fellow inmates that it was made up simply.

The notion Jeremy talked Sheila into killing anyone and trusted her not to shoot him instead is not credible in the least. The notion she did it and then he tried to help cover for her by getting her to clean herself up and dispose of her clothes is not credible either.  If even a small portion of it were true he would have told such to Julie and his lawyers.  If this actually was from him and not made up by the person who talked to Harrison then it means Jeremy wasn't even able to think up these fairytales until after he was convicted and did so simply to try to get fellow prisoners to lay off him.

It may not be the whole truth, but there may be elements.

[Stephanie]

Jeremy's legal team can go to Jeremy and ask Jeremy if he did tell these things to any prisoners and could ask if the claims are true and then ask why he didn't tell them sooner so they could have tried to use it at trial.

It is obvious to me that even if Jeremy did tell such things to fellow inmates that it was made up simply.

The notion Jeremy talked Sheila into killing anyone and trusted her not to shoot him instead is not credible in the least. The notion she did it and then he tried to help cover for her by getting her to clean herself up and dispose of her clothes is not credible either.  If even a small portion of it were true he would have told such to Julie and his lawyers.  If this actually was from him and not made up by the person who talked to Harrison then it means Jeremy wasn't even able to think up these fairytales until after he was convicted and did so simply to try to get fellow prisoners to lay off him.

I tend to agree with this....

I think if there were an element of truth in it, JB would have already let something slip - long ago

[susan]

Know if the guy is telling the truth? We don't, but why would he lie? If this man wanted to kick JB in the teeth, all he had to say is that he confessed to him. PH is putting the story out there, it's up to you whether you believe it or not BUT, I think you have previously suggested that Sheila may have been involved yourself in the past?

Caroline you are quite right I have always thought Sheila was involved and  I think he brain washed her then double crossed her that has always been my take on it.The fact the ex con wrote this letter does not guarantee Jeremy told him this he could have come up with the story himself but if I was writing the letter or telling the story I would have left Sheila's clothes at the scene they could have been forensically tested to authenticate the fact she carried out  some or all of the shootings other than herself.

[scipio_usmc]

It may not be the whole truth, but there may be elements.

Jeremy killed everyone himself, he planned it from the start himself and he carried it all out himself. He didn't ask Sheila to help him or trust her with a weapon.  The ONLY reason to try to get her to help as opposed to doing it all himself would be in order to get physical evidence on her clothing and body so that police would believe she did it. But trusting her not to shoot him is not something he would have risked or risked her telling anyone his plan and thwarting it just in order to get some evidence on her.  If he had gone through all that trouble and taken such risks in order to make sure she got evidence on her no way in hell would he let her change her clothes and wash such evidence off and then dispose of such clothes.   

The only person he shared his plans with prior to carrying out the murders was Julie and she has to live with the fact that if she actually told someone how horrible he was speaking then he would not have been able to go through with it because they would have been on notice in advance of his intentions and would have spread such around and he would have been aware that he would have been blamed if anything did happen to them. 

[Stephanie]

Caroline you are quite right I have always thought Sheila was involved and  I think he brain washed her then double crossed her that has always been my take on it.The fact the ex con wrote this letter does not guarantee Jeremy told him this he could have come up with the story himself but if I was writing the letter or telling the story I would have left Sheila's clothes at the scene they could have been forensically tested to authenticate the fact she carried out  some or all of the shootings other than herself.

Good point Susan!!

[susan]

My expectations apparently were met, I didn't anticipate anything of value.

Scipio  I know you and I discussed this and I fear you were right and I got it wrong I expected too much.  I expected concrete proof which you said I would not get.

[susan]

Good point Susan!!

Stephanie this is the bit of the story that is making me question the letter nothing else because I always thought they were in it together had Jeremy allowed Sheila to shower to be clean to meet her maker her stained clothes at the scene would have cleared him IMO. and he would not have been convicted.

[Stephanie]

Stephanie this is the bit of the story that is making me question the letter nothing else because I always thought they were in it together had Jeremy allowed Sheila to shower to be clean to meet her maker her stained clothes at the scene would have cleared him IMO. and he would not have been convicted.

Totally...

Maybe she was showering when he first started shooting? Maybe she had already showered?

[susan]

Totally...

Maybe she was showering when he first started shooting? Maybe she had already showered?

Steph that is possible the shower head was hanging down guess we will never know exactly what happened.

[Caroline]

Caroline you are quite right I have always thought Sheila was involved and  I think he brain washed her then double crossed her that has always been my take on it.The fact the ex con wrote this letter does not guarantee Jeremy told him this he could have come up with the story himself but if I was writing the letter or telling the story I would have left Sheila's clothes at the scene they could have been forensically tested to authenticate the fact she carried out  some or all of the shootings other than herself.

I very much doubt Jeremy would tell anyone what 'actually' happened but that doesn't mean he didn't relay this scenario to the informant and there may be 'some' elements of truth - however small.