Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all

[scipio_usmc]

well fingerprints wouldent prove whoevers they were it would only prove they touched it.

As usual lookout has no idea what she is talking about.  Not only was it tested for fingerprints it subsequently was super glue fumed.  The hope was to find Sheila's prints on it so that they could say there was evidence she removed the moderator and put it away.  They found no prints though because the killer wore gloves. 

[maggie]

Haven't you personally met with any " mistaken diagnosis " at all ? If not then you can't possibly understand how doctors can get things wrong,even with mental illnesses.
Sheila could quite possibly have been wrongly diagnosed and with that comes the wrong treatment to treat something that wasn't there in the first place.
The way that Sheila had smoked,latterly,even ordinary cigarettes would have reduced the effectiveness of the Haldol,let alone with cannabis as well,and with other prescription drugs not being in her body at her time of death,it would have appeared that for at least 72 hours,she hadn't taken any medication,deeming her as being culpable for what happened as her original symptoms would have returned with a vengeance.

I agree, professionals will more often than not close ranks, there is no doubt this happens in the medical profession and elsewhere, it's how the establishment operates .  Most people have experienced this to a greater or lesser extent imo.

[lookout]

Jeremy was convicted based on:

1) Evidence that Jeremy lied about numerous things which he only would have lied about if he were the killer

2) Evidence that Sheila can't have killed anyone or herself

3) Evidence that Nevill couldn't and wouldn't have made the call Jeremy claims Nevill made to him

4) Evidence Jeremy had been planning to kill them for quite some time and admitted he was responsible.

You ignore all the evidence because you don't want to face it that just means you are living in denial.

Lied or lapse of memory ( considering he was the ONLY one concerned for the loss of his family ) ? How could he remember anything if he wasn't there ? Would YOU think straight if you'd lost all your family in one fell swoop ? No wonder Jeremy took off.
Brothers/sisters ? Any of them crying at the funeral ? I'd be devastated and in an unholy mess if my brother died.

Killers remember every last detail without faltering so it's firmly fixed in their minds each time they're questioned as most killers have offended before in some way so know the spiel as well as the system. Daft Jeremy was naïve and rattled off what he did know,or thought he knew,but it was those " thoughts " that the police used for their own ends in saying that" he'd lied " when he hadn't.

It's only when you've been in such a situation yourself that you too would feel embittered ( though I must say that Jeremy isn't ) A few years ago,I'd received a threat for having reported someone for slashing the tyres on my daughter's car.The perpetrator,a known criminal,had been questioned and thus threatened me for reporting him.
My case was reviewed by the CPS,then thrown out ? It was ME who felt like a criminal until some joker rang to ask if I wanted " victim support " to which I told him to go to Hell.  Hence my attitude towards the police. I told them I was selling up and moving somewhere where this ass**** couldn't find me and their answer was " yes,that's a good idea " !! Which is hilarious if it hadn't been so serious. 

My advice is that if you see any trouble---------------walk away from it or you'll get roped in and be worse off for reporting/intervening.

[Adam]

Slashing the tyres of you're daughters car ?

Was he a big time criminal then ?

[Caroline]

Haven't you personally met with any " mistaken diagnosis " at all ? If not then you can't possibly understand how doctors can get things wrong,even with mental illnesses.
Sheila could quite possibly have been wrongly diagnosed and with that comes the wrong treatment to treat something that wasn't there in the first place.
The way that Sheila had smoked,latterly,even ordinary cigarettes would have reduced the effectiveness of the Haldol,let alone with cannabis as well,and with other prescription drugs not being in her body at her time of death,it would have appeared that for at least 72 hours,she hadn't taken any medication,deeming her as being culpable for what happened as her original symptoms would have returned with a vengeance.

This just isn't true Lookout, and she was taking anti-psychotic medication. You can't get passed that and such bold unsubstantiated claims are not helping your argument.

[lookout]

As usual lookout has no idea what she is talking about.  Not only was it tested for fingerprints it subsequently was super glue fumed.  The hope was to find Sheila's prints on it so that they could say there was evidence she removed the moderator and put it away.  They found no prints though because the killer wore gloves.

So the killer wore gloves ? Fibres,then ?

[nugnug]

As usual lookout has no idea what she is talking about.  Not only was it tested for fingerprints it subsequently was super glue fumed.  The hope was to find Sheila's prints on it so that they could say there was evidence she removed the moderator and put it away.  They found no prints though because the killer wore gloves.

as it had been handled by god knows how many people they wuldent find any prints of intrest.

[Jane]

So the killer wore gloves ? Fibres,then ?

Rubber gloves? Fibres??

[lookout]

This just isn't true Lookout, and she was taking anti-psychotic medication. You can't get passed that and such bold unsubstantiated claims are not helping your argument.

Oh yes it IS true. Sheila was NOT taking her other medication since arriving at WHF.Enough time for it to have cleared out of the system save for the remains of the Haldol which,being reduced anyway,left her in a pretty chronic situation.

[lookout]

Rubber gloves? Fibres??

Even rubber gloves would have left their mark.

[Jane]

Even rubber gloves would have left their mark.

Not certain where this is going, Lookout. If you believe Sheila was the shooter, why would it occur to her to wear rubber gloves? Jeremy could have worn them, washed them and disposed of them very easily.

[lookout]

Wasn't there a rubber glove knocking around ? If so,why haven't we heard any more about it ?

[Jane]

Wasn't there a rubber glove knocking around ? If so,why haven't we heard any more about it ?

There may well have been but it isn't unheard of for rubber gloves to be worn to do housework in.

[susan]

There may well have been but it isn't unheard of for rubber gloves to be worn to do housework in.

hello lookout

I remember steve uk posted that an empty marigold bag was found in one of the nearby fields don't think he provided a source

[maggie]

hello lookout

I remember steve uk posted that an empty marigold bag was found in one of the nearby fields don't think he provided a source