HOLD THE FRONT PAGE HEADLINE - Bamber was definitely framed. ..

[Caroline]

It's in her book if you believe in books stating Jeremy's guilt. Why would she write something that was libelous ?

It's called 'poetic licence' - go check the photographs, her nightdress is in one piece and saying someone's nightdress was blown apart isn't libellous

[lookout]

It's called 'poetic licence' - go check the photographs, her nightdress is in one piece and saying someone's nightdress was blown apart isn't libellous

Oh I see,just more sensationalism to paint a picture of how monstrously violent Jeremy is.
These authors would have been better attending sewing classes as their embroidery is amazing.

[Jane]

Oh I see,just more sensationalism to paint a picture of how monstrously violent Jeremy is.
These authors would have been better attending sewing classes as their embroidery is amazing.

Pictures don't need to be painted, Lookout. If it was believed to be otherwise, he MAY have been out after 25 years.

[Caroline]

Oh I see,just more sensationalism to paint a picture of how monstrously violent Jeremy is.
These authors would have been better attending sewing classes as their embroidery is amazing.

Yours isn't too bad either! 

[mike tesko]

Well, the police certainly took an interest in the 12 bore shotgun,  which they thought were linked to the multiple small bore holes in the back of June Bambers nightdress. When it was examined a sooty deposit existed around the circumferences of these small holes leading police to suspect that at some stage in the build up to the main events that the 12 bore shotgun had been  discharged in anger. The sooty residue around these 0.5 diameter holes was apparently tested for firearms discharge residue, but it wasn't confirmed. The shotgun had some redish paint ingrained onto the end of its barrel, suggestive that it has come into contact with the red painted aga surround in the main kitchen. This was the gun barrel which DS Davidson spoke about in his COLP interviews. This is what caused Ron Cook to take a paint sample (RC/1) from the aga surround at the on 8th August 1985, and hans it to DS Davidson at the scene that same day...

 

[Jane]

Well, the police certainly took an interest in the 12 bore shotgun,  which they thought were linked to the multiple small bore holes in the back of June Bambers nightdress. When it was examined a sooty deposit existed around the circumferences of these small holes leading police to suspect that at some stage in the build up to the main events that the 12 bore shotgun had been  discharged in anger. The sooty residue around these 0.5 diameter holes was apparently tested for firearms discharge residue, but it wasn't confirmed. The shotgun had some redish paint ingrained onto the end of its barrel, suggestive that it has come into contact with the red painted aga surround in the main kitchen. This was the gun barrel which DS Davidson spoke about in his COLP interviews. This is what caused Ron Cook to take a paint sample (RC/1) from the aga surround at the on 8th August 1985, and hans it to DS Davidson at the scene that same day...

Until they realized they were moth holes?

[mike tesko]

The existence of an empty single Raker 12 bore cartridge in the breaçh of the shotgun,  along with information from a nearby resident that he had heard a shotgun blast being discharged in the vicinity of whf between 9.30 and 10.15pm, supported by the existence of these multiple holes accompanied by a sooty residence on the reverse of June Bambers nightdress, certainly warranted the fingerprinting of the shotgun by the police. It became even more interesting when the police developed fingerprints from the shotgun barrel, belonging to Sheila Caffell, and Ralph Bamber. Since, it provided evidence that one or other, or both of them had handled the shotgun on the evening proceding the main shootings, involving the shotgun being discharged in anger, or accidentally, downstairs in the kitchen. This information and evidence would have caused the jury to rethink the involvement of Sheila and Ralph involving this shotgun - who fired it?

Who had then put it away inside the gun cupboard in the downstairs office?

[mike tesko]

The size of the lead shots inside the Raker cartridge before it was discharged were of a similar size to the small bore holes all over the back of June Bambers nightdress...

[Caroline]

The size of the lead shots inside the Raker cartridge before it was discharged were of a similar size to the small bore holes all over the back of June Bambers nightdress...

Where is the proof that small 'shot' type holes were found in June's nightdress.

[mike tesko]

Where is the proof that small 'shot' type holes were found in June's nightdress.

I am just going to lay my hands upon it, before I decide whether or not to post it up on the forum, because if this falls into the category of "Fresh Evidence", I don't think I should be posting it up for viewing on a public forum. But then again, what better way to get this material out into the public domain?

What am I to do?

[mike tesko]

Recorded in Ron Cooks pocketbook entry, is the exhibit reference of SJ/1 relating to the silencer given to him by DS Jones, and which he took to the lab' to show Hlynis Howard in the 13th August 1985. This is spoken about by Cook in his COLP witness statement, where he also confirms, that even then at the time of making his COLP witness statement, he did not know that 'Stan Jones' had got a middle Christian name. Now, this sheds a spotlight on the suggestion that when Cook had arrived at the lab' that day, he could not possibly have written on a brown coloured CJA exhibit label, the exhibit reference 'SBJ/1', because he did not know DS Jones had a middle Christian name, its as simple as that. This is confirmed in Cooks COLP witness statement, which states clearly and matter of factly, that Cook only knew Jones, as 'Stan Jones'. He would hardly, therefore have written tge exhibit mark of 'SBJ/1' on the blank CJA label he attached at the lab on that day of his visit to the lab' on that very first occasion then, would he?

He would have written, 'SJ/1', on the label, the same exhibit reference that he later recorded in his picketbook entry (SJ/1)...

[mike tesko]

Here is the FINGERPRINT FORM, dated, 9th AUGUST 1985, showing that a SILENCER,, and the rifle, ammunition magazine and cartridge cases, were fingerprinted by DS Davidson - So, here is the proof that Essex police DID HAVE A SILENCER in their possession before the relatives found the other one on the 10th August 1985, which they retained until evening of the 12th August 1985, at which time Peter Eaton handed it over to DS Jones...

Receipt number 5620, was received at the fingerprint department on the 9th August 1985, including, THE SILENCER, which DS Davidson did fingerprint on that date. It now seems highly likely that once the SILENCER was fingerprinted on the 9th August 1985, that police disposed of it back into the gun cupboard in the downstairs office, where it could have been found again by the relatives...

Blood found on it and inside it, got there through mishandling and innocent or accidental contamination in the process of removal, examination, fingerprinting and return to the scene on evening of 9th August 1985, when police gave keys back to the family....

[scipio_usmc]

Recorded in Ron Cooks pocketbook entry, is the exhibit reference of SJ/1 relating to the silencer given to him by DS Jones, and which he took to the lab' to show Hlynis Howard in the 13th August 1985. This is spoken about by Cook in his COLP witness statement, where he also confirms, that even then at the time of making his COLP witness statement, he did not know that 'Stan Jones' had got a middle Christian name. Now, this sheds a spotlight on the suggestion that when Cook had arrived at the lab' that day, he could not possibly have written on a brown coloured CJA exhibit label, the exhibit reference 'SBJ/1', because he did not know DS Jones had a middle Christian name, its as simple as that. This is confirmed in Cooks COLP witness statement, which states clearly and matter of factly, that Cook only knew Jones, as 'Stan Jones'. He would hardly, therefore have written tge exhibit mark of 'SBJ/1' on the blank CJA label he attached at the lab on that day of his visit to the lab' on that very first occasion then, would he?

He would have written, 'SJ/1', on the label, the same exhibit reference that he later recorded in his picketbook entry (SJ/1)...

In his COLP witness statement he indicated that he wrote in his pocketbook that he PLANNED to label it SJ/1 but before he labeled it he spoke with Jones, learned Jones' middle initial and agreed to label it SBJ/1 and that he did label it SBJ/1.  The forms he filled out confirms he labeled is SBJ/1 and the lab worker confirms it was labeled SBJ/1.

I posted the actual portions so many times in the past that at this point all that can be said it you lie even more than Jeremy does and at least he was lying to try to save his own skin. 

[mike tesko]

In his COLP witness statement he indicated that he wrote in his pocketbook that he PLANNED to label it SJ/1 but before he labeled it he spoke with Jones, learned Jones' middle initial and agreed to label it SBJ/1 and that he did label it SBJ/1.  The forms he filled out confirms he labeled is SBJ/1 and the lab worker confirms it was labeled SBJ/1.

I posted the actual portions so many times in the past that at this point all that can be said it you lie even more than Jeremy does and at least he was lying to try to save his own skin.

You are a blithering idiot, I am not bothered what was stated in the witness statement made in his name says - I am relying on what he wrote in the in his statement concerning what had happened, what could have unfolded?

[scipio_usmc]

Here is the FINGERPRINT FORM, dated, 9th AUGUST 1985, showing that a SILENCER,, and the rifle, ammunition magazine and cartridge cases, were fingerprinted by DS Davidson - So, here is the proof that Essex police DID HAVE A SILENCER in their possession before the relatives found the other one on the 10th August 1985, which they retained until evening of the 12th August 1985, at which time Peter Eaton handed it over to DS Jones...

Receipt number 5620, was received at the fingerprint department on the 9th August 1985, including, THE SILENCER, which DS Davidson did fingerprint on that date. It now seems highly likely that once the SILENCER was fingerprinted on the 9th August 1985, that police disposed of it back into the gun cupboard in the downstairs office, where it could have been found again by the relatives...

Blood found on it and inside it, got there through mishandling and innocent or accidental contamination in the process of removal, examination, fingerprinting and return to the scene on evening of 9th August 1985, when police gave keys back to the family....

All this document states regarding August 9 is that 3 sets of prints were taken from Sheila and Nevill in order to use for elimination samples.  As usual you grossly misrepresented what you had.