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Re: david boutflowers phonecall to colin.
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2015, 07:32:PM »
So were the Bambers,who I was referring to.

The only living Bamber was Jeremy and he was adopted.

Outside of adopted son Jeremy:

Nevill's closest living relatives were his nephew and Niece (Anthony Pargeter and Jacqueline Wood)

while June's closest living relatives were:

Pamela Boutflour (her sister), Mabel Speakman (Pam and June's mother), David Boutflour (her nephew) and Ann Eaton (her niece).

So the people you keep saying were in contact with the family were the family.

They were contacted about the arrest by the press and also by Jeremy who wanted to be bailed out but the Howies ended up bailing him out. It appears Betty Howie was Speakman's niece (June and Pam's cousin).   



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Re: david boutflowers phonecall to colin.
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2015, 07:53:PM »
My argument was that as families,the Boutflours didn't know the Bambers,or what went on within those walls at WHF,so therefore would not have been aware of the severity of Sheila's illness or what it entailed. Yet they spouted chapter and verse about two siblings who they didn't know and people believed them ?

They were close enough to know Sheila never fired any weapons and had no interest in guns. They also knew she was never violent even when she had episodes when she stopped taking her medicaiton.

They were close enough to know Jeremy flat out lied about her having fired the murder weapon and all other guns in the house and lied about the gun not fitting int he closet with the scope and moderator attached.

You profess to know more about Jeremy's character than the family though you never even met him.

We know Sheila's only episodes were prior to starting treatment and when she stopped taking her medication. 

We know she was being injected for this very reason and thus could no longer avoid taking her medication.

We know that even when she stopped taking her medication she wasn't violent towards others during any of the episodes.

We know the episodes were brought on by something she didn't simply wake up in the middle of the night and have an episode- she was interacting with people when the episodes were brought on.

So the picture you try to paint fails miserably.  You, Alias and others choose to ignore the evidence to pretend she was likely to have an episode in the middle of the night, that she was likely to murder them all by shooting them during an episode.

But this inquiry is all not even important for us because we care about the actual evidence at the scene.  That is what proves who the murderer was. State of mind makes no difference at all.

It is not possible for Sheila to have loaded the gun, to have shot everyone including herself and to have beaten Nevill without getting GSR/soot and blood from the victims (particularly Nevill during the beating) on her clothes and body.  It is not possibly for her to have inflicted the beating on Nevill without there being some injuries to her hands and nails and bare feet yet there was none.  The only way to avoid such damage to her hands would be if she wore gloves but such gloves would have been found at the scene if she wore any.
 
The killer started the attack in the master bedroom firing 10 shots into June and Nevill.  There was no phone in that room because Jeremy removed it.  There was no way Nevill could have phoned anyone before the shooting commenced.  After the shooting commenced he couldn't speak because of his injuries.  There is no way he could have phoned anyone let alone Jeremy.

Sheila can't have killed herself because:

1) she didn't load the weapon
2) she never fired the gun at all
3) she was seated when shot and after she was dead she was moved flat by someone else who then placed the gun on top of her
4) she was shot with the moderator attached so could not have reached the trigger to shoot herself and after her death she most certainly didn't remove the moderator and put it in the closet
5) after she died and her body was moved flat a pool of blood formed on the floor and the Bible was placed in this pool while the blood was still wet.  Clearly she didn't do this herself the killer did.

All of these things prove it is impossible for Sheila to have been the killer but rather someone tried to frame her for the killings.  State of mind is irrelevant to this evidence it makes no difference at all even if Sheila had been violent in the past during episodes it would not make it possible for her to be the killer.

 
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Re: david boutflowers phonecall to colin.
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2015, 08:19:PM »





No pretence.No BS----------I'll leave that to you.

I don't make false claims Lookout and I back up what I say with evidence. Unlike you who repeats any old twaddle as long as it puts Jeremy in a good light. You cherry pick like there's no tomorrow and make excuse after excuse and twist the facts where ever possible. It's no the wonder you think he's innocent, because you have your own story of what happened - which is so far removed from the facts that half the time it's like you're talking about another case! How's that for rude!!  :P - WITH BELLS ON - DING!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2015, 08:52:PM »
I don't make false claims Lookout and I back up what I say with evidence. Unlike you who repeats any old twaddle as long as it puts Jeremy in a good light. You cherry pick like there's no tomorrow and make excuse after excuse and twist the facts where ever possible. It's no the wonder you think he's innocent, because you have your own story of what happened - which is so far removed from the facts that half the time it's like you're talking about another case! How's that for rude!!  :P - WITH BELLS ON - DING!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D






Water off a ducks back. ;D ;D I've had worse " rude " than that. This is tame in comparison. :P-rasp. ;D

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2015, 08:57:PM »





Water off a ducks back. ;D ;D I've had worse " rude " than that. This is tame in comparison. :P-rasp. ;D

I'm sure you have. Hope you said pardon - never mind, just blame the cat!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2015, 08:59:PM »
I'm sure you have. Hope you said pardon - never mind, just blame the cat!  ;D ;D ;D






 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D-----I usually do,blame the cat.

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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2015, 09:23:PM »
just to clarify;

Saturday 7th September 1985 - Jeremy tells Colin about the explicit pictures of Sheila.
Sunday 8th September  1985 Jeremy is arrested (and detained for 5 days) on suspicion of murdering his family
Monday 9th September DB calls Colin (DB called Coin to tip him off about a news story of Jeremy's arrest)
Friday 13th (apt), Jeremy is bailed
Monday 16th September 1985 - Meeting with Fielder takes place about the photographs
Tuesday 17th September 1985 The Sun article is published.

are so hes supposed of tried to sell these pictures while out on bail.

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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2015, 09:27:PM »
are so hes supposed of tried to sell these pictures while out on bail.

No supposed about it!
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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2015, 09:47:PM »
Was it Andrew Hunter who stood bail ?

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2015, 09:49:PM »
i dont think him jeremy knew each other then did they.

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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2015, 09:50:PM »
Was it Andrew Hunter who stood bail ?

No one did - it was unconditional bail.
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2015, 09:55:PM »
from colins book it seems pretty clear that david dident tell him.

of course somone told david b the qustion is who were they and how did they know.
  Why does this seem clear Nugs, what does Colin say?

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2015, 10:00:PM »
No one did - it was unconditional bail.




Very strange. No forfeit of passport.

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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2015, 10:16:PM »
  Why does this seem clear Nugs, what does Colin say?

he says david boutflour phoned him and told him that the sun would be worth a read the next day.

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2015, 10:22:PM »



Very strange. No forfeit of passport.

that is strange but you might just put that down to imcompetence.