Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[Jane]

April  excellent post which makes good sense to me.

THANK-YOU Susan.

[mike tesko]

?With the benefit of hindsight we can all have done things differently...

Fact of the matter is, Ralph did not inform Jeremy that Sheila had got possession of one of his loaded guns, and neither did he say that anyone had by that stage been shot or wounded. Ralph telling Jere.y thT Sheila had gone crazy, could quite literally have meant any number of things. His sister was crazy anyway, so why should Jeremy call the police? If Ralph needed the police he would have cakked them hi.sekf, which id in fact exactly what he did...

[Jane]

?With the benefit of hindsight we can all have done things differently...

Fact of the matter is, Ralph did not inform Jeremy that Sheila had got possession of one of his loaded guns, and neither did he say that anyone had by that stage been shot or wounded. Ralph telling Jere.y thT Sheila had gone crazy, could quite literally have meant any number of things. His sister was crazy anyway, so why should Jeremy call the police? If Ralph needed the police he would have cakked them hi.sekf, which id in fact exactly what he did...

So from where came the words "Sheila has gone mad and got hold of a gun"? One must assume it to have been loaded as Jeremy left it so, OR are you asking us to believe, after all this time, that Neville called Jeremy at silly o'clock -during harvest- just to tell him that Sheila had gone mad?  You're simply corroborating, though, what many of us have been saying for ages. HAD Neville been in that situation he'd have called the police -dialling 999, naturally- he WOULDN'T have called Jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

?With the benefit of hindsight we can all have done things differently...

Fact of the matter is, Ralph did not inform Jeremy that Sheila had got possession of one of his loaded guns, and neither did he say that anyone had by that stage been shot or wounded. Ralph telling Jere.y thT Sheila had gone crazy, could quite literally have meant any number of things. His sister was crazy anyway, so why should Jeremy call the police? If Ralph needed the police he would have cakked them hi.sekf, which id in fact exactly what he did...

Are you suggesting Jeremy never told West or police at the scene that Nevill told him Sheila had the gun but rather simply said she was going crazy? 

[scipio_usmc]

The fact that the occupants of CA07 were deployed to the incident prior to Jeremy making his Chelmsford police station call, tells its own story. The fact of the matter is that police were already aware there was some sort of incident developing at whf before Jeremy even made contact with the police. I believe this is why the investigation during that first month had conflicting crime reference numbers, one from Chelmsford, and the other from Southend on Sea...

A month later, these two crime reference numbers were merged together and incorporated under a revised Chelmsford police crime reference number of SC/ 786/ 85...

To my knowledge, Jeremy has had very little information or access to Documents from the Southend on Sea file...

They were not deployed prior to Jeremy making his call. Jeremy called prior to 3:26. He claimed he called earlier than 3:36, and Jeremy's trial lawyers grilled West to get him to admit his 3:36 reference was wrong.

West and Bonnett reference only a call from Jeremy in their logs, written statements and verbal testimony. 

Had Nevill phoned then the cops contacted by West and Bonnett would have been told of a call from Nevill as would the detectives.  The unarmed police sent initially all say they were told to go there because of Jeremy's call

Jeremy would have been told that Nevill already phoned so police were already dispatched but instead the first police heard of things was from Jeremy and they thus asked him numerous questions including Nevill's address and phone number which they already would have had if Nevill phoned prior to Jeremy...nor would he have been put on hold to dispatch officers if Nevill had called and they already had been dispatched.

The subsequent armed police were told they were going because of a call from Jeremy and were told contact wasn't made with anyone in the house ever.

The second batch of armed officers held a briefing before setting out and they were told they were going because of Jeremy's call and told at no point was any contact ever made with anyone inside the house.

There is zero evidence of a call from Nevill and police being dispatched before Jeremy's call such is made up by dishonest Jeremy supporters who view this as a game and want to win so bad they lie like rugs as opposed to genuinely seeking the truth.

[Caroline]

?With the benefit of hindsight we can all have done things differently...

Fact of the matter is, Ralph did not inform Jeremy that Sheila had got possession of one of his loaded guns, and neither did he say that anyone had by that stage been shot or wounded. Ralph telling Jere.y thT Sheila had gone crazy, could quite literally have meant any number of things. His sister was crazy anyway, so why should Jeremy call the police? If Ralph needed the police he would have cakked them hi.sekf, which id in fact exactly what he did...

Not at 3am in the morning!

[mike tesko]

Not at 3am in the morning!

How do you know?

[Jane]

How do you kniw?

Because only someone who'd gone crazy would make a phoney phone call circa 3am, get a person out of bed just to tell them something they already knew, ie their sister had gone mad. Neville was neither mad nor stupid, but IF that call had happened, he'd have been VERY scared.

[mike tesko]

How can any of you possibly know for sure,  that Jeremy must have kniwn that what his father had meant when Ralph said, "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly"...

What gun had she got, based upon the content of Jeremys 3.36am phone log?

[Jane]

How can any of you possibly know for sure,  that Jeremy must have kniwn that what his father had meant when Ralph said, "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly"...

What gun had she got, based upon the content of Jeremys 3.36am phone log?

Well it wouldn't have taken much intelligence to work out for himself that his father hadn't woken him circa 3am to tell him that Sheila had a water pistol.

[lookout]

Gun/Rifle--------big difference.

[mike tesko]

Because only someone who'd gone crazy would make a phoney phone call circa 3am, get a person out of bed just to tell them something they already knew, ie their sister had gone mad. Neville was neither mad nor stupid, but IF that call had happened, he'd have been VERY scared.

The lie detector test sorted out the chaff from the wheat, there was a phone call from Ralph at the scene to jeremy at his cottage.That call is the stumbling block of the entire prosecution case. If Ralph made made that telephone call to Jeremy,  the game is up. If Ralph made the 3.26am call to the police the gane is up. If Ralph mafe the call to Jeremy,  and the police,  then there is no need to say anything  further..

[lookout]

The phone-call from Neville WAS made,as when Jeremy had said he'd heard an engaged tone,the GPO checked the line to find that the phone at WHF WAS off the hook.

[Jane]

The phone-call from Neville WAS made,as when Jeremy had said he'd heard an engaged tone,the GPO checked the line to find that the phone at WHF WAS off the hook.

I have no reason to doubt it. I believe that Jeremy deliberately left it off the hook before he left. It wouldn't have done for the police to check the line, hear the phone ringing and get no response. If Neville was already long dead he couldn't have answered it which would have looked rather suspicious as jeremy had said he'd just spoken to him. I'm certain they'd have known the difference between a body recently dead and a body hours dead.

[Caroline]

The phone-call from Neville WAS made,as when Jeremy had said he'd heard an engaged tone,the GPO checked the line to find that the phone at WHF WAS off the hook.

Clearly Jeremy left the phone off the hook before he left WHF and combined the C&B story about the call from his dad. He knew it would be engaged because he left the phone off the hook.