Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[mike tesko]

Then, as if matters could not get any worse, there are the unreported test firing of the anshuzt rifle with use of control ammunition, with the silencer fitted to the barrel. These test fired rounds were used in a substitution program, where at least one of these test fired rounds was used to replace the badly fragmented original pieces of bullet PV/20, with a whole test fired one...

Crooky and DS Jones must have been in at the time this deception occurred and took place....

[scipio_usmc]

I wonder how many other silencers he had in his pockets?

Perhaps, he could have produced them like a magician pulling rabbits out of a hat...

If the jury had heard about Crookys activities the silencer evidence would have been disregarded as an unreliable exhibit, upon which to place such a large amount of trust. Crooky even dismantled this / that silencer on the 29th August 1985, and even after he had done that / this, Crooky did not see any blood in the silencer before he immediately rebuilt it, and proceeded to put the rebuilt silencer at risk of being further contaminated when he screwed the uncontaminated silencer directly onto the barrel of the anshuzt rifle...

Why would Crooky have done that /this?

He didn't take it apart this is just something else that was made up. It was taken to the lab and the lab dismantled it.

[mike tesko]

He didn't take it apart this is just something else that was made up. It was taken to the lab and the lab dismantled it.

YOU LIE...

[scipio_usmc]

Then, as if matters could not get any worse, there are the unreported test firing of the anshuzt rifle with use of control ammunition, with the silencer fitted to the barrel. These test fired rounds were used in a substitution program, where at least one of these test fired rounds was used to replace the badly fragmented original pieces of bullet PV/20, with a whole test fired one...

Crooky and DS Jones must have been in at the time this deception occurred and took place....

The test firing with the moderator attached was reported that is how you know about it. This occurred in early 1986.

[mike tesko]

The test firing with the moderator attached was reported that is how you know about it. This occurred in early 1986.

YOU LIE...

The unreported test fire of the anshuzt rifle, control ammunition and with silencer fitted occurred prior to 12th September 1985, and this FACt is well documented upon numerous LAB/ GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS, bearing Fletchers, and DS Stan Jones signatures...

[scipio_usmc]

YOU LIE...

Post proof he dismantled it. No evidence of such was discussed in the COLP investigation or at trial or in his pocketbook.  What basis do you have to assert this at all?

[mike tesko]

Post proof he dismantled it. No evidence of such was discussed in the COLP investigation or at trial or in his pocketbook.  What basis do you have to assert this at all?

[scipio_usmc]

YOU LIE...

The unreported test fire of the anshuzt rifle, control ammunition and with silencer fitted occurred prior to 12th September 1985, and this FACt is well documented upon numerous LAB/ GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORDS, bearing Fletchers, and DS Stan Jones signatures...

Produce documents that assert testing occurred with the moderator attached prior to the 12th.  What one finds is the saying they did testing it in early 1986 to determine if there were any marking left by use of the moderator.

[scipio_usmc]

YOU LIE...

Someone supportive of Jeremy, perhaps even you, added the inscription, "on 29/8/85".  That doesn't prove the claim is true.  This photo was taken after the lab dismantled it.  Cook was at the lab as they were doing so and he was photographing some of their work.

[scipio_usmc]

You show how the original photo of the dissembled moderator has no writing on it at all.  Someone wrote on it that it was taken by DI Cook and someone else wrote a date on which they claim he took it.  All this proves is someone alleges he took it and someone else alleges he did so on August 29.  It is quite possible he took it since he was at the lab taking photos and watching the lab take it apart and analyze it.  But no actual proof has been offered to establish he took it himself.  Jeremy supporters simply writing such on it is not proof. Proof is an official statement or record indicating he is the one who took it and similarly documentation of that sort would be needed to establish the date the photo was actually taken.

Official document including stamp number showing it was part of a document production:



This is after having been doctored by writing by unknown Jeremy supporters after being turned over to Jeremy:

[mike tesko]

Someone supportive of Jeremy, perhaps even you, added the inscription, "on 29/8/85".  That doesn't prove the claim is true.  This photo was taken after the lab dismantled it.  Cook was at the lab as they were doing so and he was photographing some of their work.

Mr Sutherst examined photo negatives, and had access to the order photographs were taken in, I have no reason to lie...

Contact Jeremy and speak to him about it, better still contact Mr Sutherst to get the answer you don't want to hear, and when you get those replies, start calling them liars in the same way you do with everybody else...

Ronny Crook dismantled the silencer before the silencer DB/1 (23) got sent to the lab' to be examined on 30th August 1985. Now how can there be no flake of blood falling out from between the separated baffles when Ronny the Crook tampered with this silencer, but if this was / is the very same silencer which you keep harping on about, how could the key flake of blood mysteriously materialise between baffle plates 1 and 2, by the next time this same silencer gets dismantled by Fletcher and Hayward, on the 12th September 1985?

Think about that scenario before you open your gob, because no matter how many times you call me a liar, first and foremost I am not a liar, secondly, at the end of the day Ronny the Crook did dismantle this silencer before the silencer that got sent to the lab on the 30th August 1985, got sent there under another guise. Crooky, well he certainly tampered with the internal settings of the baffle plates on that occasion. He does not say that he saw any blood at all on any of these separated baffle plates, which is strange considering that by 12th September 1985, as many as 8 baffle plates are supposed to have been heavily bloodstained, and in addition the key loose flake trapped between baffles 1 and 2, had not been there 13 days previously. You can accuse me all you like regarding this matter, it will not matter one jot what you have to say about me, but one thing you and anybody else will not be able to change, is that Crooky dismantled the silencer, and he rebuilt it, and then lo and behold he screwed in directly onto the thread of the anshuzt rifle, before the rebuilt silencer was sent along to the lab' on 30th August 1985, under the guise of exhibit reference DB/1, lab' item reference 23, so that Fletcher and his mob could dismantle it again. We know that Fletcher and Hayward dismantled that silencer at the lab' on 12th September 1985, because his hand written notes say so, and he dated and signed his notes, so that is in the bag, there is nothing you, or anybody can do about that, or this, no matter how many times you claim I am lying, or talking nonsense, because the truth is I am telling the truth, and as I say that fact is in the bag...

There is one slight glitch that I suppose I should mention regarding the actual date that Crook dismantled the silencer, rebuilt it, and screwed the rebuilt silencer to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, and that is this. Jeremy claims the dismantling, rebuilding and screwing of it to the rifle took place on the 28th August, rather than the 29th, but if he is right and I am wrong, it matters not, since Crooky tampered with that silencer as described in any event before the silencer in the guise of DB/1 (23) was sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985 for Fletcher to deal with...

[mike tesko]

Ask yourself where the negative references for the three photographs posted originated from?

Do you think, somebody just made these up?

There were actually 4 photographs taken by Crooky on that date, and the negative references for all 4 follow on from one another in sequence, the last of the 4 photographs which Crooky took, shows the rebuilt silencer that Crooky dismantled, screwed firmly onto the thread on the end of the anshuzt rifle barrel, in its rebuilt condition. This was done before the silencer under the guise of DB/1 (23) was sent to the lab', no doubt about it. Any body with an ounce of intelligence will realize that when this uncontaminated silencer was rebuilt by Crooky, and he screwed it onto the thread of the anshuzt rifle, that any blood on the thread of the anshuzt barrel would almost certainly have been forced backwards into the bottom end of the silencer, and adequately accounts for the possible presence of the loose flake 13 days later trapped between baffles 1 and 2...

[scipio_usmc]

Mr Sutherst examined photo negatives, and had access to the order photographs were taken in, I have no reason to lie...

You have every reason to lie who are you trying to kid?  You are not a disinterested objective party with no reason to lie. You are a biased Jeremy advocate.  Why you should not lie aside from it being wrong to lie is because it harms your credibility and haring your credibility DOESN'T help you.

Contact Jeremy and speak to him about it, better still contact Mr Sutherst to get the answer you don't want to hear, and when you get those replies, start calling them liars in the same way you do with everybody else...

Ronny Crook dismantled the silencer before the silencer DB/1 (23) got sent to the lab' to be examined on 30th August 1985. Now how can there be no flake of blood falling out from between the separated baffles when Ronny the Crook tampered with this silencer, but if this was / is the very same silencer which you keep harping on about, how could the key flake of blood mysteriously materialise between baffle plates 1 and 2, by the next time this same silencer gets dismantled by Fletcher and Hayward, on the 12th September 1985?

Think about that scenario before you open your gob, because no matter how many times you call me a liar, first and foremost I am not a liar, secondly, at the end of the day Ronny the Crook did dismantle this silencer before the silencer that got sent to the lab on the 30th August 1985, got sent there under another guise. Crooky, well he certainly tampered with the internal settings of the baffle plates on that occasion. He does not say that he saw any blood at all on any of these separated baffle plates, which is strange considering that by 12th September 1985, as many as 8 baffle plates are supposed to have been heavily bloodstained, and in addition the key loose flake trapped between baffles 1 and 2, had not been there 13 days previously. You can accuse me all you like regarding this matter, it will not matter one jot what you have to say about me, but one thing you and anybody else will not be able to change, is that Crooky dismantled the silencer, and he rebuilt it, and then lo and behold he screwed in directly onto the thread of the anshuzt rifle, before the rebuilt silencer was sent along to the lab' on 30th August 1985, under the guise of exhibit reference DB/1, lab' item reference 23, so that Fletcher and his mob could dismantle it again. We know that Fletcher and Hayward dismantled that silencer at the lab' on 12th September 1985, because his hand written notes say so, and he dated and signed his notes, so that is in the bag, there is nothing you, or anybody can do about that, or this, no matter how many times you claim I am lying, or talking nonsense, because the truth is I am telling the truth, and as I say that fact is in the bag...

There is one slight glitch that I suppose I should mention regarding the actual date that Crook dismantled the silencer, rebuilt it, and screwed the rebuilt silencer to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, and that is this. Jeremy claims the dismantling, rebuilding and screwing of it to the rifle took place on the 28th August, rather than the 29th, but if he is right and I am wrong, it matters not, since Crooky tampered with that silencer as described in any event before the silencer in the guise of DB/1 (23) was sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985 for Fletcher to deal with...

Sutherst was working from photos not negatives that was one of his problems.  The negatives would not indicate who took photos anyway.

You take allegations and just mash them with other disproved allegations of multiple moderators into a giant web that makes no sense and has no evidentiary basis.  Anyone can make up any allegations they desire- such allegations are meaningless when they lack proof.   

[mike tesko]

Sutherst had access to hundreds of photographic negatives, and photographs. I am not even going to bother arguing this point, because everybody except you knows that what I am saying is true. He was able to establish which photographs were taken before other photographs by reference to the negative strips, in some cases even when police had cut up the original negative strips turning the negatives into single rather than multiple images on one strip. He is regarded as one of the worlds leading experts in his field, and he was able to establish that 8 negatives had been cut out and removed at the time Sheila's body was being photographed. He had no reason to make anything up. Anyway, I'm not bothered what you think about this, because at the end of the day I am telling the truth, and Mr Sutherst knows what he is talking about...

[mike tesko]

No-one has doctored anything, the truth of the matter is that Crooky dismantled the silencer, which you and others on that side of the fence, have been claiming was only ever just the one silencer, on all occasions, bearing this exhibit reference (SBJ/1), then that exhibit reference (DB/1) and then the following exhibit reference of DRB/1, with different lab' item numbers, 22 to 23, and back to 22, so you are now trapped by your own claims that there was only ever one silencer. So, the silencer Crooky dismantled on 29th August 1985, had to be the same silencer inside which all the bloodstaining and the loose flake later turned up in (after 29th August 1985). If 8 of the baffles had bloodstaining on them, and the loose flake had been in and on the baffles of the silencer when Crooky dismantled it on 29th August, he would have been the witness who found the blood evidence inside the silencer, not Fletcher and Hayward, some 13 days later...