Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[mike tesko]

Senior officers were not influenced by anything what Jeremy had said to other bit part players...

These senior officers were highly trained, intelligent people, and they would not have been influenced in the slightest by what anyone else might have said at any stage. Plus, they knew the truth that the police had shot Sheila and killed her...

[mike tesko]

June Bambers blood trail, confirmed that she had walked across the bedroom window from one side of the bedroom, to the other, and back again. The sighting of the silhouetted figure must have been June Bamber moving about inside that bedroom. Evidence of her blood trail on the bedroom carpet as described, is capable of establishing that June Bamber was not yet dead by the time Bews, Myall and Bamber caught sight of the silihetted figure through the upstairs main bedroom window. Furthermore, that since she was not yet dead, that the person who had later shot June Bamber between the eye must also have been a lived inside the farmhouse, so that makes at least two of the 5 victims which Jeremy Bamber could not have had involvement in those two deaths...

[mike tesko]

June Bambers blood trail, confirmed that she had walked across the bedroom window from one side of the bedroom, to the other, and back again. The sighting of the silhouetted figure must have been June Bamber moving about inside that bedroom. Evidence of her blood trail on the bedroom carpet as described, is capable of establishing that June Bamber was not yet dead by the time Bews, Myall and Bamber caught sight of the silihetted figure through the upstairs main bedroom window. Furthermore, that since she was not yet dead, that the person who had later shot June Bamber between the eye must also have been a lived inside the farmhouse, so that makes at least two of the 5 victims which Jeremy Bamber could not have had involvement in those two deaths...

Jeremy has the perfect alibi, he was outside in the grounds of the farmhouse, when at least 2 of the 5 victims were still alive inside.The 2 victims still alive at that stage were June Bamber and Sheila Caffell. PS Bews situation report that he passed via the police radio to the control room, requesting armed back up because there may have been someone armed and dangerous inside was accurate. Sheila was the armed occupant. She used the anshuzt rifle to shoot June between the eyes a matter of feet away from where police and Jeremy had seen the silohetted figure. The rifle she had used to shoot June between the eyes with, was later placed at the bedroom window, where it remained until spotted there by WPC Julia Jeapes at around 7.15am. How could that very same rifle have been on top of Sheila's body on the floor next to the bed when the raid team entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am, and yet still be leaning against the bedroom window from 15 minutes prior to entry by them into the premises?

[mike tesko]

The period between the timing of Ralph Bambers call to police (3.26am), and the sighting of the silhouetted figure moving about in the main bedroom, provides ample opportunity for Sheila to have gone downstairs to shoot and kill him, before returning back upstairs to shoot June between the eyes...

[scipio_usmc]

Senior officers were not influenced by anything what Jeremy had said to other bit part players...

These senior officers were highly trained, intelligent people, and they would not have been influenced in the slightest by what anyone else might have said at any stage. Plus, they knew the truth that the police had shot Sheila and killed her...

They were heavily influenced by Jeremy's claim that Nevill phoned him to report Sheila running amok with the rifle.  Sheila was murdered with the Anschutz before Jeremy called the police, the police never discharged their weapons.

[scipio_usmc]

June Bambers blood trail, confirmed that she had walked across the bedroom window from one side of the bedroom, to the other, and back again. The sighting of the silhouetted figure must have been June Bamber moving about inside that bedroom. Evidence of her blood trail on the bedroom carpet as described, is capable of establishing that June Bamber was not yet dead by the time Bews, Myall and Bamber caught sight of the silihetted figure through the upstairs main bedroom window. Furthermore, that since she was not yet dead, that the person who had later shot June Bamber between the eye must also have been a lived inside the farmhouse, so that makes at least two of the 5 victims which Jeremy Bamber could not have had involvement in those two deaths...

Jeremy made up seeing someone move, he knew they were all dead he would have freaked out if he thought he messed up and someone was actually still alive.  The police thought they might have seen movement after he claimed such but realized moving their heads caused them to simply think they may have seen movement.

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy has the perfect alibi, he was outside in the grounds of the farmhouse, when at least 2 of the 5 victims were still alive inside.The 2 victims still alive at that stage were June Bamber and Sheila Caffell. PS Bews situation report that he passed via the police radio to the control room, requesting armed back up because there may have been someone armed and dangerous inside was accurate. Sheila was the armed occupant. She used the anshuzt rifle to shoot June between the eyes a matter of feet away from where police and Jeremy had seen the silohetted figure. The rifle she had used to shoot June between the eyes with, was later placed at the bedroom window, where it remained until spotted there by WPC Julia Jeapes at around 7.15am. How could that very same rifle have been on top of Sheila's body on the floor next to the bed when the raid team entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am, and yet still be leaning against the bedroom window from 15 minutes prior to entry by them into the premises?

Everyone was dead before the police ever arrived that is why no shots were heard and nothing else from the house heard except the dog barking. 

The gun wasn't in the window it was on Sheila.  You keep using an account from Jeapes where she indicating she saw something int he boxroom window that appeared like it could have been the barrel of a rifle as proof that the Anschutz was in the window of the bedroom though Jeapes was talking about the boxroom window and never saw the object move.  The object she saw was still there when the Anschutz was observed on Sheila's body so it can't have been the Anschutz.

Nothing you claim holds up to scrutiny or has any evidentiary support.

[mike tesko]

If shots had been fired inside any of the rooms where victims had been found upon entry by use of the anshuzt rifle, these would not necessarily have been heard by anyone in the vicinity of the farmhouse or by anyone situated as close as the nearby barn, or in pages lane, or even necessarily by anyone in a different part of the farmhouse. The sound of a .22 rifle like the anshuzt being discharged using let's say for arguments sake .22 subsonic ammunition weighing 35 grain, in one room of the huge farmhouse, being heard by anyone else in another room on the other side of the house, or as the case may be, if fired in a downstairs room, be heard upstairs in a bedroom, or vice versa. The sound made ordinarily by a .22 rifle being discharged isn't really very loud at all. Your suggestion that if any shots had been fired after the arrival at the scene of News, Myall, Saxby, and Bamber between 3.48 and 3.52am is not really a valid one, because everybody knows that the walls of the farmhouse, and furnishings, curtains, and doors would absorb the impact of any sound made when that .22 rifle had been discharged. You are trying to give an impression that the sound of a .22 rifle being fired, would be equivalent to the sound of a 12 bore shot gun going off, which it is not. So, once again, here is another example of you trying to distort the truth. On the other hand, I would once again draw everybody's attention to the existence of an officers report which deals with ' THE SHOOTING INCIDENT IN THE KITCHEN', why would such a report be in existence at all, if either such a shot had not been heard, seen or occurred whilst police were at the scene?

As for your other points, refer to previous replies made by me about such matters...

No time of death was given for any of the 5 victims, so you can't realistically say or allege that any of the 5 victims had been shot, or had died before or after 3.52am...

You have nothing whatsoever to prove that anyone was even dead inside the farmhouse before police with Jeremy arrived on the scene...

[mike tesko]

On the contrary, everything I speak about does stand up to scrutiny in the sense that everything points to a cover up of the circumstances which led to the killing of Sheila Caffell inside the farmhouse by police. Jeremy himself complained to PS Saxby as such upon being told that all his family inside the farmhouse were dead. He accused the men with the guns who had gone into the farmhouse, of shooting all his family dead. Not only that / this, but Jeremy confided in another person after that morning that the police had not told him the truth about what must have happened once the police had got into the farmhouse. He told this person that he thought police might have shot at least one member of his family dead, and that that person they had shot dead could possibly have been his sister.,,

[scipio_usmc]

If shots had been fired inside any of the rooms where victims had been found upon entry by use of the anshuzt rifle, these would not necessarily have been heard by anyone in the vicinity of the farmhouse or by anyone situated as close as the nearby barn, or in pages lane, or even necessarily by anyone in a different part of the farmhouse. The sound of a .22 rifle like the anshuzt being discharged using let's say for arguments sake .22 subsonic ammunition weighing 35 grain, in one room of the huge farmhouse, being heard by anyone else in another room on the other side of the house, or as the case may be, if fired in a downstairs room, be heard upstairs in a bedroom, or vice versa. The sound made ordinarily by a .22 rifle being discharged isn't really very loud at all. Your suggestion that if any shots had been fired after the arrival at the scene of News, Myall, Saxby, and Bamber between 3.48 and 3.52am is not really a valid one, because everybody knows that the walls of the farmhouse, and furnishings, curtains, and doors would absorb the impact of any sound made when that .22 rifle had been discharged. You are trying to give an impression that the sound of a .22 rifle being fired, would be equivalent to the sound of a 12 bore shot gun going off, which it is not. So, once again, here is another example of you trying to distort the truth. On the other hand, I would once again draw everybody's attention to the existence of an officers report which deals with ' THE SHOOTING INCIDENT IN THE KITCHEN', why would such a report be in existence at all, if either such a shot had not been heard, seen or occurred whilst police were at the scene?

As for your other points, refer to previous replies made by me about such matters...

No time of death was given for any of the 5 victims, so you can't realistically say or allege that any of the 5 victims had been shot, or had died before or after 3.52am...

You have nothing whatsoever to prove that anyone was even dead inside the farmhouse before police with Jeremy arrived on the scene...

All you are doing is demonstrating you are a lying apologist who wants people to falsely believe Jeremy is innocent.  You have nothing legitimate to raise so lie instead and that signals you know he is guilty but wish he wasn't don't want to admit it and will make up any nonsense you can to avoid facing the truth.

There is no way Sheila loaded the gun, shot anyone else or beat Nevill.  Had she done these things then she would have had evidence on her body and clothing.  There is no way she killed herself.  She was murdered with the Anschutz while seated then her body was dragged flat, the moderator removed and hidden in the closet and the Bible placed in her blood.  She was killed by 3AM thus the food she ate while she was in the kitchen before going to bed was still in her stomach and that is why she was already in full rigor by the time she was autopsied.

Making up nonsense about police shooting her then moving her body and having the lab switch bullets is not only absurd but evidence establishes this didn't happen such as xrays that show the bullet used at trial matched the xray of her throat. 

Police would have heard shots they were listening attentively and there is no way ANY of the victims killed themselves which is solid proof they were all dead before the police entered.  Nevill had no ability to make the call Jeremy claimed and he lied about many other things as well plus his ex ended up ratting him out.  Jeremy is guilty as sin.  Nothing you make up has even the remote ability to establish otherwise you have no ability to refute the evidence you just make up things.

[scipio_usmc]

On the contrary, everything I speak about does stand up to scrutiny in the sense that everything points to a cover up of the circumstances which led to the killing of Sheila Caffell inside the farmhouse by police. Jeremy himself complained to PS Saxby as such upon being told that all his family inside the farmhouse were dead. He accused the men with the guns who had gone into the farmhouse, of shooting all his family dead. Not only that / this, but Jeremy confided in another person after that morning that the police had not told him the truth about what must have happened once the police had got into the farmhouse. He told this person that he thought police might have shot at least one member of his family dead, and that that person they had shot dead could possibly have been his sister.,,

Nothing points to a cover-up and you have zero evidence of one.  Your suggestion police killed Sheila is not only unsupported but rather contradicted by all the evidence.  If police had shot Sheila then they would not have needed to hide it. They would not have had any reason to move her body and if they engaged in a cover-up pretending she killed herself they would have stuck with it not suddenly decided to frame Jeremy.  You realize your claims are unsupported so make up evidence such as your bogus photos of Sheila in the bed and bogus police informant who meets you periodically...  In making such up you are admitting you have nothing legitimate to raise and effectively rendering your position untenable.

[mike tesko]

PC Birds photograph (23) showing the rifle used to inflict the fatal beneath the chin shot of Sheila, was leaning against the bedroom window, according to PC Birds testimony, and he did not know who had put it there. He told the court that he had taken photograph (23) after the first time he had taken photographs of Sheila in the bedroom, but examination of the sequential negatives made available to Bamver and his legal team almost three decades later, establishes as a fact that PC Bird had taken photograph (23) before he had taken any disclosed photographs of Sheila's body in the main bedroom. However, 8 consecutive negatives have been cut out and are missing and as yet, almost 30 years later have still not yet been accounted for. These missing negatives are believed to be the very negatives showing Sheila's body laid on the bed with no rifle on her body, or anywhere near her body at that time. The closest the anshuzt rifle was to her body at the time these photographs were taken, was that the rifle was at that stage already leaning against that bedroom window, and subsequently brought from that window and put to the body. Bird did not know or see who had in fact placed that rifle there at the window, but depending upon which officer you choose to believe, either Cook, Montgomery, or Woodcock all say they were responsible for removing the rifle from the body and placing the rifle at the bedroom window. Three dirty lying no good scumbag police officers all claiming to have done the self same thing, at the same time. All I can say is that that anshuzt rifle must have been too heavy for one officer to handle all by himself...

[mike tesko]

The police have covered up the true circumstances of how Sheila died at the scene. They could not continue with the cover up once relatives introduced the evidence of the silencer. This was because police knew that the first shot inflicted across her neck when she was downstairs in the kitchen had been fired from a rifle belonging to them which was fitted with a sound moderator. The rifle they placed upon Sheila's body from the window was not fitted with a silencer. Police had possession of the actual silencer used in that shooting if Sheila in the kitchen, which was not ever fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle during the shootings. So, once relatives started pushing for the evidence of the silencers in their possession to be part of the investigation, police had no option but to frame Jeremy for the murders in line with the thoughts and beliefs of relatives, which ended up with the wrong silencer being thrust to the forefront of the police investigation from there on, in..,

Police had every reason to cover up the circumstances of her death and how she had been shot by police using a police issue weapon fitted with a silencer, because they planted the wrong rifle on her body that did not have a silencer fitted to it's barrel, and the rifle police planted in Sheila's body, had inky fired one of the two bullets received by her. So, stop trying to pretend that police would not have any reason to cover up her death. Of course they had cause to want to fund some way out of the position they themselves had gotten themselves into - they shouldn't have put the wring unsilenced rifle on her body when stage managing her body to make out a false case that she had in fact taken her own life. But then again, the only other option open to them in the heat if the moment would have been to put both rifles in her body at the same time, but  that was the only way the circumstances of her death could have been explained, which excluded suicide. So, there it is, spelt out in black and white, Sheila killed at the scene by use of two differently configured weapons, one with a silencer, one without a silencer. One if the two original bullets (PV/20) had to be replaced by a test fired .22 rifle to try and make it into a one gun crime. They could never have got away with putting either of the two guns used to shoot her on her body, because one of the guns used in her shooting inky fired one if the two shots inflicted. This is why they covered up the true circumstances of her death - police stage managed her body, got OC Bird to photograph it, and presented a false set if photographs contained in a mickey mouse photo' album claiming that this was how her body had been discovered upon entry. Police were caught up in quandery, two guns used to shoot and kill her in two different parts of the house, downstairs and upstairs. They couldn't stage her body upstairs with the rifle and silencer used to shoot her downstairs in the kitchen at a time when she only had been shot once, neither could they have stage managed her body downstairs in the kitchen once she had been shot and killed upstairs by the use of the second rifle when she had thus been shot twice, since she was only shot once whilst downstairs in the kitchen. They were caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, and whichever way they decided to go, their best chance it seems was to go along with the 4 murders and a suicide explanation, but all that changed once relatives started to like their noses into affairs, seeking to introduce the evidence of a different silencer..,

[scipio_usmc]

PC Birds photograph (23) showing the rifle used to inflict the fatal beneath the chin shot of Sheila, was leaning against the bedroom window, according to PC Birds testimony, and he did not know who had put it there. He told the court that he had taken photograph (23) after the first time he had taken photographs of Sheila in the bedroom, but examination of the sequential negatives made available to Bamver and his legal team almost three decades later, establishes as a fact that PC Bird had taken photograph (23) before he had taken any disclosed photographs of Sheila's body in the main bedroom. However, 8 consecutive negatives have been cut out and are missing and as yet, almost 30 years later have still not yet been accounted for. These missing negatives are believed to be the very negatives showing Sheila's body laid on the bed with no rifle on her body, or anywhere near her body at that time. The closest the anshuzt rifle was to her body at the time these photographs were taken, was that the rifle was at that stage already leaning against that bedroom window, and subsequently brought from that window and put to the body. Bird did not know or see who had in fact placed that rifle there at the window, but depending upon which officer you choose to believe, either Cook, Montgomery, or Woodcock all say they were responsible for removing the rifle from the body and placing the rifle at the bedroom window. Three dirty lying no good scumbag police officers all claiming to have done the self same thing, at the same time. All I can say is that that anshuzt rifle must have been too heavy for one officer to handle all by himself...

This is just more fairytale nonsense. There is nothing to establish the photo of the gun against the chair predated other photos Bird took.  Furthermore, Bird did not take photos until hours after the raid so his photos would not have any ability to demonstrate the gun was not on Sheila as the raid team, Dr Craig and the other police who saw her body claim it was.

If the gun had been found against the wall it would have been even more proof Sheila was murdered and police would have used it for such purpose against Jeremy.

[lookout]

 If as you say,that Bird took photo's well after the raid,the one of Sheila didn't look as though it had been taken hours after the raid--------------or she'd have appeared peuce in colour !! She wasn't,she was comparatively pale,which would indicate a couple of hours deceased when her pic was taken.