Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[scipio_usmc]

There is obviously now going to be another independent police investigation on the back of these revelations that I have in very recent days brought to your attention. Any new independent police investigation will have to deal with the fact that Sheila was still alive inside the farmhouse when the original 6 man raid team entered the building. That she confronted PS Woodcock downstairs as he was coming through a tight gap in the door. How she was shot in that struggle and the fact that she appeared to have pulled the muzzle of the silenced barrel of Woodcocks weapon in towards her own throat at the time Woodcock inadvertently activated the trigger. How Sheila's body was left unsupervised downstairs in the kitchen, how she managed to get herself upstairs into the main bedroom onto the bed, and convince the police into thinking she was dead again? How the rifle from the window was brought to her body during a training exercise for the purpose of trying to establish that she could have taken her own life by use of that, or a similar gun. How the rifle which had been brought from the window onto her body in those circumstances, had still been loaded, which led to Sheila receiving the so called 2nd shot underneath her chin which had killed her. How police immediately moved her body from the bed to the floor and placed her body in the recovery position upon its right side, before rolling her body back over into the supine position. How police planted the rifle onto her body once it had been rolled into the supine position, from the recovery position, etc, etc, etc..,

Your revelations are all made up. The 1991 COLP investigation took care of all your tripe back in 1991 and there won't be anymore attention to this case paid by the police.  The defense will just keep spinning its wheels trying to find a way to pretend Jeremy is innocent but will never be able to establish such to objective rational people let alone any Court.

[scipio_usmc]

By the way 9 men raided the house not 6, 6 were selected to be the initial raid team and 3 more reinforced them.

Alexander-Smart
Collins
Delgado
Hall
Manners
Woodcock
Mildinhall
Rozga
Webb

All of these only saw one body in the kitchen- Nevill.

The upstairs bodies were found by:
Collins
Delgado
Woodcock
Hall
Manners
Webb (did not enter the master bedroom so only saw June could not see the floor where Sheila was because it was blocked by the bed)

4 supervisors wen in after the house was cleared
Gibbons
Harris
Montgomery
Adams

Dr Craig also went inside and declared all the victims dead.

Miller, DS Jones, and DCI Jones and Clark entered soon thereafter.  Bird, Hammersley, Cook, and Davidson subsequently arrived.

For the earliest witnesses to the last Sheila was on the floor on Nevill's side of the bed.

[mike tesko]

If Sheila's death had occurred in anything like the circumstances  described above, Essex police would have noticed the clues saying as much. Instead, they ignored the tell tale clues which prove that somebody stage managed her body, after it had been removed from the bed and placed in the recovery position upon its right side. Then, as I say her body was rolled back into the supine position and the rifle added to her body. Even the keystone cops would have noticed these fundament clues. The triangular bloodstain at the top right hand side of Sheila's nightdress (front) and the tell tale runs of blood which are present on her right arm, give testimony to the fact that she was put into the recovery position after having been shot beneath the chin. There is also the bloodied finger marks on the front lower right hand side of the same nightdress, all in all, the dopuest copper in the whole wide world could not have failed to take notice of such evidence and come to the inevitable conclusion that if Sheila's body had not been on the bed, if the police had not brought the rifle from the window to her body upon the bed, if that rifle had been checked and made safe beforehand, if the police had not introduced that loaded weapon to her body, if the trigger had not been activated, if the police had not transferred her body from the bed onto the floor in the aforementioned recovery position, then checked for a pulse in her neck and tried to stem the blood flow from the 2nd wound underneath the chin, if they had not then rolled her over onto her back, introduced the rifle on top of her body, adjusted her hands around and upon the gun, had not tried to conceal the pool of blood on the bedroom carpet by use of the bible, then they would have almost certainly knew from the very first moment of seeing her body in the position later photographed in by PC Bird, that she had been killed by someone else...

[lookout]

 When someone appears to be dead,or is confirmed dead on entry,why the need to feel for a pulse ?? Didn't the police know a dead body when they saw one----------------or had she only just died ?
A body which has  lain for "several hours" does NOT require examination by feeling for a pulse.

[scipio_usmc]

When someone appears to be dead,or is confirmed dead on entry,why the need to feel for a pulse ?? Didn't the police know a dead body when they saw one----------------or had she only just died ?
A body which has  lain for "several hours" does NOT require examination by feeling for a pulse.

Mike made up that police checked the bodies for a pulse.  No police said they did such (they all denied touching the bodies except the crime scene officers after photographing them) nor did Dr Craig ever claim he did such.  One of those who was with Dr Craig said Dr Craig only touched one body (Daniel) and did so in order to ascertain the gender because the back of the body was facing him and he could not tell the gender from behind.   

[scipio_usmc]

If Sheila's death had occurred in anything like the circumstances  described above, Essex police would have noticed the clues saying as much. Instead, they ignored the tell tale clues which prove that somebody stage managed her body, after it had been removed from the bed and placed in the recovery position upon its right side. Then, as I say her body was rolled back into the supine position and the rifle added to her body. Even the keystone cops would have noticed these fundament clues. The triangular bloodstain at the top right hand side of Sheila's nightdress (front) and the tell tale runs of blood which are present on her right arm, give testimony to the fact that she was put into the recovery position after having been shot beneath the chin. There is also the bloodied finger marks on the front lower right hand side of the same nightdress, all in all, the dopuest copper in the whole wide world could not have failed to take notice of such evidence and come to the inevitable conclusion that if Sheila's body had not been on the bed, if the police had not brought the rifle from the window to her body upon the bed, if that rifle had been checked and made safe beforehand, if the police had not introduced that loaded weapon to her body, if the trigger had not been activated, if the police had not transferred her body from the bed onto the floor in the aforementioned recovery position, then checked for a pulse in her neck and tried to stem the blood flow from the 2nd wound underneath the chin, if they had not then rolled her over onto her back, introduced the rifle on top of her body, adjusted her hands around and upon the gun, had not tried to conceal the pool of blood on the bedroom carpet by use of the bible, then they would have almost certainly knew from the very first moment of seeing her body in the position later photographed in by PC Bird, that she had been killed by someone else...

The police handling the investigation had no firearms knowledge or experience and ignored all evidence that didn't comport with Jeremy's claims instead choosing to simply believe Jeremy.  The firearms officers perceived numerous problems with the murder suicide theory proposed by Taff Jones but they were not handling the investigation and were not even asked to give their opinions. Taff Jones didn't even want statements from most of them only after Taff Jones was replaced did the lead investigator request statements from all those involved.  During the COLP investigation Sgt. Adams noted his indignity and disbelief that DCI Jones didn't speak to him or ask him for a statement.  He noted he was in charge of the scene for hours including responsible for the raid so felt he should have been consulted.

The original investigation centered around looking for evidence linking Sheila and ignored all evidence that contradicted Jeremy's claims.  A new investigation was done in order to handle it correctly. The actions of the original police in failing to follow leads and just making a snap assessment is one of the things that can lead to MOJs.  Numerous MOJs feature police zeroing in on 1 suspect and not following the evidence that exonerates the suspect and leads elsewhere. 

Some of the key evidence was adduced weeks later.  The lab didn't figure out Sheila's blood was inside the moderator until weeks later.  Julie didn't tell the full truth until weeks later.  They did the right thing and changed the theory of the crime based on such evidence and other evidence that squarely showed the killer was Jeremy.  It wasn't appreciated right away that Nevill was shot in the bedroom with June and subsequently went in the kitchen but could not speak at that point because of his vocal chord injury.   Police are supposed to follow evidence and change theories when evidence leads elsewhere and they ultimately did so.

 

[mike tesko]

It is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that Jeremy caused the police to treat the shootings as 4 murders and a suicide, exactly how did he manage to do that then when he had very little if any contact with the senior officers at the scene and elsewhere?  All the senior police officers who were present at the scene, and back in the control room, or at home in bed until later in the day never spoke to Jeremy personally and so I find it hard to accept that he somehow affected the decisions they made without there being any physical contact between him and any of them - and these senior officers were supposed to be the best detectives and police officers to work for Essex police in that era..,

The police made their own decisions, they did not need any prompting from anyone else, in particular from Jeremy Banner..,

[scipio_usmc]

It is ridiculous for anyone to suggest that Jeremy caused the police to treat the shootings as 4 murders and a suicide, exactly how did he manage to do that then when he had very little if any contact with the senior officers at the scene and elsewhere?  All the senior police officers who were present at the scene, and back in the control room, or at home in bed until later in the day never spoke to Jeremy personally and so I find it hard to accept that he somehow affected the decisions they made without there being any physical contact between him and any of them - and these senior officers were supposed to be the best detectives and police officers to work for Essex police in that era..,

The police made their own decisions, they did not need any prompting from anyone else, in particular from Jeremy Banner..,

More absurdity from you.

Who Jeremy fed his BS to:

1) West and his BS claim that Nevill phoned him stating Sheila was going crazy with the rifle was fed to everyone down the line

2) To Bews, Saxyby and Myall who then spread such down the line

3) To Adams and various members of the firearms team

4) To Mercer

5) To Montgermery, Dr. Craig, Clark and Jones and potentially others who were never identified as speaking to Jeremy at the scene in the various documents released by the defense to date but who did so.  We don't have all the statements, testimony and all parts of the various reports that the defense was provided copies of but know based on what was released he spoke to the above.

This is just who he spoke with directly.  Everything he said was passed down the line as mentioned in the Dickinson Report:



Trying to pretend that Jeremy's claims had no impact on the assessments made by the police is a laugh. 

 

[mike tesko]

As I say, there is no direct evidence to prove that Jeremy influenced any of the senior officers involved in the case at the scene or elsewhere...

[mike tesko]

PC West and Malcolm Bonnetts logs do not accurately reflect what Jeremy and Ralph Bamber told them. They ommitted significant exchanges of conversation, which identified Ralph as one caller (3.26am), and Jeremy as the other caller (3.36am)....

[mike tesko]

The occupants of CA07 performed important communication duties at the scene once the raid team set off to enter the farmhouse at 7.30am. In particular, it is now known that they were involved in relaying news about the discovery of two bodies found upon entry into the premises, one dead male, and one dead female, from the scene to the control room.Two of the occupants of CA07 had been accompanying Jeremy on a recce of the farmhouse when they saw a silhouetted figure moving around inside the main bedroom. You should all bear this earlier incident in mind, when considering the news they relayed to the control room, from the scene, and later that day the suggestion that there had only been one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs by 10 O'clock...

[mike tesko]

The occupants of CA07 performed important communication duties at the scene once the raid team set off to enter the farmhouse at 7.30am. In particular, it is now known that they were involved in relaying news about the discovery of two bodies found upon entry into the premises, one dead male, and one dead female, from the scene to the control room.Two of the occupants of CA07 had been accompanying Jeremy on a recce of the farmhouse when they saw a silhouetted figure moving around inside the main bedroom. You should all bear this earlier incident in mind, when considering the news they relayed to the control room, from the scene, and later that day the suggestion that there had only been one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs by 10 O'clock...

When Jeremy gave his witness statements to Jones and Clark, on the 7th and 8th August 1985, he talked about the recce of the house made by police and himself, when the silohetted figure was moving around in the upstairs bedroom, which sent the police and himself racing back to the patrol car parked up in nearby Pages Lane, at which point PS News passed a situation report regarding the fact that somebody was moving around in one of the bedrooms and that this person could be armed, so could the firearms team be sent out? This detail was committed from the typed version of Jeremy's witness statements....

[scipio_usmc]

As I say, there is no direct evidence to prove that Jeremy influenced any of the senior officers involved in the case at the scene or elsewhere...

Jeremy's claims that he left the gun, loaded magazine and bullets out, that Sheila knew how to use it and Nevill phoned and had a gun was of instrumental significance in senior officers assessing Sheila killed everyone and then killed herself.

Trying to pretend otherwise is futile.

Obviously dragging her body flat and, removing the moderator and  sticking the gun on her also played a big role. 

[scipio_usmc]

PC West and Malcolm Bonnetts logs do not accurately reflect what Jeremy and Ralph Bamber told them. They ommitted significant exchanges of conversation, which identified Ralph as one caller (3.26am), and Jeremy as the other caller (3.36am)....

The claim Nevill phoned police is simply a made up fairytale.  Nevill was shot along with June in the master bedroom which had no phone in it because Jeremy removed it in advance.  Had Nevill been able to phone police he would have indicated Jeremy was attacking them.

[scipio_usmc]

When Jeremy gave his witness statements to Jones and Clark, on the 7th and 8th August 1985, he talked about the recce of the house made by police and himself, when the silohetted figure was moving around in the upstairs bedroom, which sent the police and himself racing back to the patrol car parked up in nearby Pages Lane, at which point PS News passed a situation report regarding the fact that somebody was moving around in one of the bedrooms and that this person could be armed, so could the firearms team be sent out? This detail was committed from the typed version of Jeremy's witness statements....

Police didn't see any figure they moved their heads and thought they saw movement but realized it was just the impression of movement by virtue of moving their heads.  They had nothing to mention in their statements since they knew they hadn't seen anyone.