Author Topic: Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.  (Read 31196 times)

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Offline lookout

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Clearly Jeremy left the phone off the hook before he left WHF and combined the C&B story about the call from his dad. He knew it would be engaged because he left the phone off the hook.






Jeremy wouldn't have had the nouse to have worked anything out,nor the energy to have carried it out.

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Jeremy wouldn't have had the nouse to have worked anything out,nor the energy to have carried it out.

Lookout, this is a guy who'd travelled round the world, had worked at several low paid jobs, presumably working unsociable hours. He could do anything he wanted and I'm afraid you're going to have to come up with something FAR more convincing than saying he couldn't have done it because he was to lazy/didn't have the nous.

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Jeremy wouldn't have had the nouse to have worked anything out,nor the energy to have carried it out.

You know nothing about what Jeremy was or wasn't capable of. You post like you have personal knowledge of him and you don't. Simply just saying something for the sake of it doesn't make it true!
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Offline mike tesko

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You know nothing about what Jeremy was or wasn't capable of. You post like you have personal knowledge of him and you don't. Simply just saying something for the sake of it doesn't make it true!

Same critique applies to you and all those others who think the convictions are safe, and that the right person has been sentenced to life imprisonment...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline scipio_usmc

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Same critique applies to you and all those others who think the convictions are safe, and that the right person has been sentenced to life imprisonment...

The evidence proves his guilt we don't make out assessments of guilt based on how we subjectively perceive his personality to be.
Politeness is organized indifference- Paul Valéry

Offline Jane

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Same critique applies to you and all those others who think the convictions are safe, and that the right person has been sentenced to life imprisonment...

We are simply concurring with the jury's decision. Up to now it would seem that the agencies involved are in agreement, too.

Offline mike tesko

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The evidence proves his guilt we don't make out assessments of guilt based on how we subjectively perceive his personality to be.

The jury were deceived by the evidence of police, relatives and experts from the lab', if the jury had been told all of the facts they would almost certainly not have convicted him of anything...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

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We are simply concurring with the jury's decision. Up to now it would seem that the agencies involved are in agreement, too.

The jury did not hear all the evidence...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

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Relatives have lied, they did not find silencer DRB/1 in the gun cupboard, on 10th August 1985, because that exhibit reference did not come into play, until a month or so later (20th September 1985). Adopting such tactics was dishonest and renders the silencer, blood, paint evidence, worthless...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline Caroline

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Miscarriages of justice happen because of falsified or misrepresented evidence, and people like you who think the sun shines out of the backsides of corrupt police officers, biased relatives, and experts who have been taken for a ride by bent coppers...

On the contrary, I have had quite a bit of experience of bent coppers and have no reason to defend any of them. I just believe that Jeremy is guilty and people are grasping at straws trying to convince the authorities to let him out.
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Miscarriages of justice happen because of falsified or misrepresented evidence, and people like you who think the sun shines out of the backsides of corrupt police officers, biased relatives, and experts who have been taken for a ride by bent coppers...

Mike, I'm FULLY aware that there is corruption in ALL walks of life but it doesn't mean that everyone in authority is corrupt. NOR has corruption ever been part of my own experience when having dealings with the police and it would be hypercritical of me to say otherwise.

There WAS a time when I believed that Jeremy was innocent but so much has been slung around about this person and that person lying -and thus far I can see no good reason why the police WOULD lie, ESPECIALLY about HAVING to shoot an insane woman who was brandishing a gun at them. They would have been doing their job- so far there's the rellies, all personnel involved with the case, the pathologists, counsel, witnesses and jury. EVERYONE but Jeremy. The more liars who were introduced the more it seemed as if excuses were being made for, what it began to look obvious, what Jeremy did.

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The jury were deceived by the evidence of police, relatives and experts from the lab', if the jury had been told all of the facts they would almost certainly not have convicted him of anything...

On the contrary the one trying to deceive is you.  The jury followed the unrebutted evidence.  Neither the defense nor you have been able to rebut that evidence which is why Jeremy was convicted and his conviction upheld.  The only thing you have put forth to try to challenge the evidence is absurd allegations that you support with lies and distortions not reliable/credible evidence.

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Offline mike tesko

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On the contrary, I have had quite a bit of experience of bent coppers and have no reason to defend any of them. I just believe that Jeremy is guilty and people are grasping at straws trying to convince the authorities to let him out.

Well, you are wrong...
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Offline scipio_usmc

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Well, you are wrong...

Then post reliable/credible evidence that rebuts the conviction.  You can't nor could the trial defense nor can Jeremy's appellate lawyers. That is why he is sitting in a prison. 
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Offline mike tesko

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PC Whiddon got it spot on in the witness statement he made to COLP, about the identity of the silencer (SBJ/1) returned to the police in November 1985, for the very first time, when he said it had been found at the scene by DS Jones. Now, according to the relatives, DS Jones himself, and Ronny Crook, by 12th August 1985, David Bootyflour had found it at the scene on the 10th August, and it had been taken away from the scene back to Annie Eaton's house and kept in storage there until Pete Eaton supposedly handed it over to Jonesie on 12th. PC Whiddon was the case exhibits officer, he would have known which people had found which item, so if by 13 November 1985, Whiddon is saying the silencer bearing the identifying mark SBJ/1 was returned for the first time to police from the lab', and that this silencer had been found at the scene by DS Jones, then of course this silencer cannot have been the same silencer found at the scene by David Bootyflour on 10th August, which was taken to the lab' by Ronny Crook, and examined by Glynis Howard that same day before being handed back to the police the same date, because according to PC Whiddons COLP statement, the first time silencer SBJ/1 got handed back to police by the lab' was on 13th November 1985. Well, I thought that by 30th August 1985, the question of wrongly labelled silencers had been altered into DB/1, and that on this date the silencer submitted to the lab' by police had the identifying mark of DB/1, not SBJ/1? If the silencer had become DB/1 by 30th August 1985, how could the lab' be handing it back to police, in particular, to the exhibits officer in the case, PC Whiddon, on 13 November 1985, still bearing the identifying mark of SBJ/1?

If on 13th August 1985, the silencer taken to the lab' had been SBJ/1, and as we are being led to believe that Howard handed that silencer (SBJ/1) back to the police on that very same date (13th August 1985), then it can't have been the same silencer handed back to police on 13th November 1985, for the very first time, because it had already been handed back to the police once already on 13th August 1985...

What chance did the jury have of knowing that the silencer at the heart of the case, containing the key blood group evidence, and paint, bearing the identifying mark of DRB/1, was in fact the same silencer returned to police from the lab' on the 13th August, and again on 13th November 1985, under conflicting exhibit references, SBJ/1 (13th August) and SBJ/1 (13th November), when by all accounts the silencer sent to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, had an identifying mark if DB/1? Let's get the facts right, exhibit references bearing the identifying marks of DB/1 to DB/7 did not come into existence until recovered from the scene on the 11th September 1985, so how can the silencer have an exhibit reference of DB/1 from as early as 30th August 1985, in time for police to send that silencer (DB/1) to the lab' bearing that (DB/1) identifying mark, some 13 days before DB/1 had even been recovered from the scene on the 11th September 1985?

The jury were not made aware of these very serious contradictions involving different exhibit references of silencers, and how bent coppers and prosecutors had sought to merge all these different silencer references into one, under the guise of exhibit DRB/1...

Bent coppers, dishonest relatives, dodgy blood group and paint evidence, wrong conviction...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2015, 05:53:AM by mike tesko »
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