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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #495 on: June 15, 2015, 11:41:AM »
maybe it was a mistake to read to much into it but that does not make the capaghn team dishonest or liars.

It's their job to promote his innocence but some stuff on the OS should be removed or edited because it's pretty misleading. It may not be intentional but it's misleading nevertheless.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #496 on: June 15, 2015, 12:37:PM »


 Your posts are a perfect example of how one doesn't need to use bad language to make their posts "unpleasant and disrespectful". Inserting the words "I asked politely" doesn't make an otherwise sneering and insulting post into an acceptable one.

I don't call anyone names, or say their posts are 'bullshit'.

Hopefully the moderators will respond to my polite request and change their stance.

Continuing to say it is acceptable for Nugnug to call other peoples posts 'bullshit' is wrong.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #497 on: June 15, 2015, 12:54:PM »
I don't call anyone names, or say their posts are 'bullshit'.

Hopefully the moderators will respond to my polite request and change their stance.

Continuing to say it is acceptable for Nugnug to call other peoples posts 'bullshit' is wrong.


I notice that despite your apparent dislike of the term, you are promoting the use of it.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #498 on: June 15, 2015, 12:56:PM »
If anyone criticises Nugnug's posts all hell breaks loose.

April starts demanding bans and moderators start removing posts as if there is no tomorrow.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #499 on: June 15, 2015, 12:57:PM »
It's their job to promote his innocence but some stuff on the OS should be removed or edited because it's pretty misleading. It may not be intentional but it's misleading nevertheless.

well you should allways take any site promoting somthing with a pinch of salt but that doesnt make it a con

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« Reply #500 on: June 15, 2015, 01:06:PM »
If anyone criticises Nugnug's posts all hell breaks loose.

April starts demanding bans and moderators start removing posts as if there is no tomorrow.


The only hell breaking loose here is the one you're creating by what you insinuate.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #501 on: June 15, 2015, 01:08:PM »
well you should allways take any site promoting somthing with a pinch of salt but that doesnt make it a con



So we can include this one, can we? ;)

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #502 on: June 15, 2015, 01:18:PM »
this ones not promoting anything as far as i know and we all take the owner with a big pinch of salt anyway.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #503 on: June 15, 2015, 02:45:PM »
well im just going by your previos history of posting bullshit sory if you werent posting it this time.

You have failed to demonstrate anything I posted to be untrue or bullshit.  You simply act like a troll on this site. I'm still waiting for you to post a link to the thread where NGB had to tell me the difference between military and civilian weapons which you claimed proves I have no military experience.  You make many claims but never provide a single shred of evidence to ever back up your claims.  In contrast I post evidence to back up mine.  You call my evidence bull shit because you simply don't want to face the truth and worse yet you are too ignorant to even recognize the documents I post were originally posted here by your hero Mike so anytime you assert such documents are fake you are effectively asserting Mike posted fake documents.

You are the one posting nonsense.  It is not even possible to have a debate with you because you refuse to debate.  Anytime  I challenge you do so you simply run away claiming I post bull shit and that is it. I have no fear of debating anyone. I explain how and why my opponents are wrong and produce evidence to establish such.  That is well beyond you though, you would rather be like a monkey who sits in a tree flinging his crap at people who pass by.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #504 on: June 15, 2015, 03:08:PM »
maybe it was a mistake to read to much into it but that does not make the capaghn team dishonest or liars.

Mixing logs makes one a liar.  Failing to mention the other logs makes one dishonest.  Misrepresenting that a log states 3 further bodies were found upstairs when it doesn't mention such is dishonest.  Asserting a log states that people were found in the kitchen when it merely states police entered and so far found 2 bodies asserts 2 bodies were found in the kitchen is dishonest. 

There is great twisting going on.  There was a single log that contained the error of 2 bodies found in the kitchen.  AT MOST this log could be used for investigative purposes to try to find out who wrote it and to ask if they recall with precision the words of those who provided the information and who provided the information they recorded on the log.  Then the person who said it could be questioned about what they actually said.  If they respond that they were listening in to CA/7 like other people were then we already know what CA/7 said because there was a memo page devoted exclusively to that message and it didn't state 2 bodies found in the kitchen which means the person who wrote such made a mistake.  To knowingly use a mistake to try to establish something is dishonest.

The defense didn't go into such inquiry because they knew it would lead no where.  You follow the trail when you are unsure where the trail will ultimately lead.  We know where the trail leads- we know which officers are the eyewitnesses who entered the kitchen.  That is who you speak to the eyewitnesses not the grapevine.  Only a few members of the raid team entered the master bedroom and saw Sheila.  A larger number of those in charge and support personnel ended up seeing her body.  A majority of the raid team entered the kitchen though and saw only 1 body.  These are the only accounts that matter with respect to establish where the bodies were.  What the grapevine said is not of any consequence. 

The campaign team knows that Sheila's body was not in the kitchen.  No eyewitnesses claim it had been there, no blood evidence or other physical evidence establishes she had been in the kitchen at all let alone her body in there and no photos or the like establish her body had been there.  Blood evidence, eyewitness testimony and photos do establish her body was in the master bedroom.

The campaign team has no evidentiary basis to assert her body had been in the kitchen and has no logical reason why police would move her body anyway.   The campaign team intentionally distorts the significance of a log that claimed two bodies were found in the kitchen and intentionally distorted what various other logs state in a dishonest attempt to pretend there is reason to believe Sheila's body had originally been in the kitchen even though female body could have meant June as easily as Sheila and clearly the second body found was in fact June.  Furthermore they thought it was June in the kitchen before entry because Collins though Nevill was an old woman from behind he saw wild gray hair that he thought belonged to a female.

This is just one of many distortions on he site and when all the distortions are stripped away the campaign site has nothing left.  They raise nothing legitimate just nonsense claims of bodies moved, the dishonest claim that someone inside the house was talking to police dishonest claim that Nevill phoned police...  If Jeremy were actually innocent they would not need to resort to lies and would have something legitimate to raise.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #505 on: June 15, 2015, 03:49:PM »
With various logs being kept by different people, it's easy to understand how mistakes were made. No conspiracy, just a simple misunderstanding.

They know it was a misunderstanding on the part of the person who posted 2 bodies int he kitchen so make no effort to figure out who wrote that error.  If you want to investigate you figure out who wrote it and try to figure to figure out what they were actually told and by whom.

We know they can't have heard the claim directly from any of those inside the house because the raid team wasn't using radios they were passing messages to those outside by calling to other raid team members and the raid team members closest to the door spreading the information to those outside the door.  Montgomery was rather close outside receiving messages passed.

We know for a fact that none of the raid team and those directly outside acting as information conduits like Montgomery claim more than 1 body was found in the kitchen. Nor does anyone who entered after the house was cleared. So we know the mistake was made further down the line and by a single person because only 1 person reported 2 bodies in the kitchen though 3 different people had written logs down related to CA/7s radio report. 

The horse's mouths are the people who went in the kitchen and the person outside who received the information directly from the raid team.  That is what actually matters and we know for a fact they say only 1 body was in the kitchen so trying to pretend that there were 2 bodies is deceptive.     
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #506 on: June 15, 2015, 06:56:PM »
Just asked this on another thread but I guess it also belongs here. What lies did Fielder tell about Colin Stagg?
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #507 on: June 15, 2015, 06:58:PM »
You have failed to demonstrate anything I posted to be untrue or bullshit.  You simply act like a troll on this site. I'm still waiting for you to post a link to the thread where NGB had to tell me the difference between military and civilian weapons which you claimed proves I have no military experience.  You make many claims but never provide a single shred of evidence to ever back up your claims.  In contrast I post evidence to back up mine.  You call my evidence bull shit because you simply don't want to face the truth and worse yet you are too ignorant to even recognize the documents I post were originally posted here by your hero Mike so anytime you assert such documents are fake you are effectively asserting Mike posted fake documents.

You are the one posting nonsense.  It is not even possible to have a debate with you because you refuse to debate.  Anytime  I challenge you do so you simply run away claiming I post bull shit and that is it. I have no fear of debating anyone. I explain how and why my opponents are wrong and produce evidence to establish such.  That is well beyond you though, you would rather be like a monkey who sits in a tree flinging his crap at people who pass by.

To be fair this is how supporters work.

They have no proof to refute the evidence showing guilt. So supporters just say the evidence has been tampered with. But have no proof.

They then turn it on to the guilters saying we have to prove the evidence has not been falsified.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #508 on: June 15, 2015, 07:05:PM »
They know it was a misunderstanding on the part of the person who posted 2 bodies int he kitchen so make no effort to figure out who wrote that error.  If you want to investigate you figure out who wrote it and try to figure to figure out what they were actually told and by whom.

We know they can't have heard the claim directly from any of those inside the house because the raid team wasn't using radios they were passing messages to those outside by calling to other raid team members and the raid team members closest to the door spreading the information to those outside the door.  Montgomery was rather close outside receiving messages passed.

We know for a fact that none of the raid team and those directly outside acting as information conduits like Montgomery claim more than 1 body was found in the kitchen. Nor does anyone who entered after the house was cleared. So we know the mistake was made further down the line and by a single person because only 1 person reported 2 bodies in the kitchen though 3 different people had written logs down related to CA/7s radio report. 

The horse's mouths are the people who went in the kitchen and the person outside who received the information directly from the raid team.  That is what actually matters and we know for a fact they say only 1 body was in the kitchen so trying to pretend that there were 2 bodies is deceptive.   

it cant be said it was fact that it was a misunderstanding   the suppoerters page could have point there just over staeting there case.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #509 on: June 15, 2015, 07:11:PM »
it cant be said it was fact that it was a misunderstanding   the suppoerters page could have point there just over staeting there case.

Like claiming Mike Fielder lied about Colin Stagg?
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