Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Caroline]

" Turned on you ?" YOU'RE the one who's turned on those of us whose views are different to yours. MY views have ALWAYS been the same,so therefore it ISN'T me who's changed or turned on anyone. The nastiness was evident and has ALWAYS been present whenever I post !!

If I spout BS then there are no words for your ramblings,just because you feel that you MUST be right.  Christ,my interest in the case doesn't stretch to creating bad feelings like yours does. I couldn't care less either way. My life doesn't depend on whether I'm right or not,thank God.

Lookout you were creating bad feeling here (because of your views) before I was even a member. You were happy to pat me on the back and cheer me along when I was an innocent supporter butas soon as I had doubt, you joined in with various members to try and put me down. Thing is I'm not bothered by it and think it's actually quite amusing at times but I don't spare feelings any more. You could level your post at people like gringo because it takes a LOT more effort to bend and twist the truth like he does, but no matter what he posts, as long as it's favourable to Jeremy, it's OK by you because the truth, isn't important to you. You can't even be truthful with your sarcasm - you couldn't care less either way? Jesus!! Give me a break!! 

[Caroline]

I do back you up on that Caroline, I remember when you first suggested you were feeling unsure.  I think I remember not being wholly surprised because I had always had some doubts and was never totally sure?  There's been quite a bit of water under the bridge since then and you are now definite in your belief of guilt and I am still unsure but then I think our personalities are such that I shall always veer and you shall always be definite in your belief.

I wasn't talking about you Maggie, my post isn't mean for everyone, just those who can't help taking any argument personally.

[scipio_usmc]

How an earth did you ever believe Jeremy was innocent ?

Because you would think that people would not have the gumption to make up the crap posted on the campaign site. Even though I undertook to verify the claims because I never take anyone's word alone, they make it sound like they really have evidence to support their claims.  You have to do in depth research of the evidence to see how full of crap the claims truly are and realize the tricks being played by them spinning.

I initially thought maybe he was innocent and only realized after a thorough look at everything that it was all a farce.   

[lookout]

 At least Gringo puts explanations in his posts without " forcing " any issues of guilt or innocence down our throats such as yourself and Scipio.

Steve is an anti,but his posts explain, rather than " put anyone down " or to call opposition posts BS.
There's absolutely no need for the scathing posts just because some of us think differently.I don't know what it's all for,and I'll obviously reply in the same tone as they're posted. 

The bad feeling which was/is on here,had already been created by the anti's,and when I joined,showing my support,it became like a red-rag to a bull,and I got flak from every direction.Being someone who doesn't suffer fools and sit back and take it,horror of horrors,I stuck up for myself and that's why EVERYONE now blames ME for the " bad feelings ".

It would be a jolly sight easier for me to admit defeat and take it on the chin than argue the toss any longer in order to keep the peace.
What do you call a person who agrees with everything everyone says ?  BORING !!

[maggie]

I wasn't talking about you Maggie, my post isn't mean for everyone, just those who can't help taking any argument personally.

I was just confirming that you did speak to myself and April a long time ago about your doubts about JBs innocence.

[maggie]

At least Gringo puts explanations in his posts without " forcing " any issues of guilt or innocence down our throats such as yourself and Scipio.

Steve is an anti,but his posts explain, rather than " put anyone down " or to call opposition posts BS.
There's absolutely no need for the scathing posts just because some of us think differently.I don't know what it's all for,and I'll obviously reply in the same tone as they're posted. 

The bad feeling which was/is on here,had already been created by the anti's,and when I joined,showing my support,it became like a red-rag to a bull,and I got flak from every direction.Being someone who doesn't suffer fools and sit back and take it,horror of horrors,I stuck up for myself and that's why EVERYONE now blames ME for the " bad feelings ".

It would be a jolly sight easier for me to admit defeat and take it on the chin than argue the toss any longer in order to keep the peace.
What do you call a person who agrees with everything everyone says ?  BORING !!

I don't agree Lookout, I'm sure most people don't blame you for bad feelings at all, why should you be responsible? 

It's natural that feelings run high at times on a forum and am sure that will increase when the next couple of books are published.
 
I do think you get a raw deal at times and I know myself how hurtful it can be, often the people posting are unaware how much their comments hurt, because when we don't even know what someone  looks like and cannot read facial expressions or body language we can tend to be detached from others feelings.  We can all be guilty of it at times imo.

[Caroline]

At least Gringo puts explanations in his posts without " forcing " any issues of guilt or innocence down our throats such as yourself and Scipio.

Steve is an anti,but his posts explain, rather than " put anyone down " or to call opposition posts BS.
There's absolutely no need for the scathing posts just because some of us think differently.I don't know what it's all for,and I'll obviously reply in the same tone as they're posted. 

The bad feeling which was/is on here,had already been created by the anti's,and when I joined,showing my support,it became like a red-rag to a bull,and I got flak from every direction.Being someone who doesn't suffer fools and sit back and take it,horror of horrors,I stuck up for myself and that's why EVERYONE now blames ME for the " bad feelings ".

It would be a jolly sight easier for me to admit defeat and take it on the chin than argue the toss any longer in order to keep the peace.
What do you call a person who agrees with everything everyone says ?  BORING !!

Right back at ya!

[Caroline]

At least Gringo puts explanations in his posts without " forcing " any issues of guilt or innocence down our throats such as yourself and Scipio.

Steve is an anti,but his posts explain, rather than " put anyone down " or to call opposition posts BS.
There's absolutely no need for the scathing posts just because some of us think differently.I don't know what it's all for,and I'll obviously reply in the same tone as they're posted. 

The bad feeling which was/is on here,had already been created by the anti's,and when I joined,showing my support,it became like a red-rag to a bull,and I got flak from every direction.Being someone who doesn't suffer fools and sit back and take it,horror of horrors,I stuck up for myself and that's why EVERYONE now blames ME for the " bad feelings ".

It would be a jolly sight easier for me to admit defeat and take it on the chin than argue the toss any longer in order to keep the peace.
What do you call a person who agrees with everything everyone says ?  BORING !!

Are you for real? The man is on a one way trip to discredit anything and everything I say. His posts twist the actual details of what happened and he add things that didn't - and you (and others) support him. This shows that you're not interested in the truth at all. You're happy to support Jeremy no matter what. Of course that is up to you but when people twist things to suit or post things that aren't true - I'm going to continue to highlight it!

[lookout]

I don't agree Lookout, I'm sure most people don't blame you for bad feelings at all, why should you be responsible? 

It's natural that feelings run high at times on a forum and am sure that will increase when the next couple of books are published.
 
I do think you get a raw deal at times and I know myself how hurtful it can be, often the people posting are unaware how much their comments hurt, because when we don't even know what someone  looks like and cannot read facial expressions or body language we can tend to be detached from others feelings.  We can all be guilty of it at times imo.

Hi Maggie,it matters not,to me,how a person views the case,it's the way their " argument " comes over,and I can " feel " that person's post. I've never had a problem with either Jan or Alias,and I'm sure that if they were staunch anti's,their attitudes would remain the same as they've always been without the need for insults or abuse,because their outlooks are entirely different. Even Steve as I've mentioned.

Looking back before I came onto the forum,there were one or two supporters who were given a bad time,and I really can't understand why that is,but it's horrible to read and it's not gone unnoticed that we've lost posters.
It's now become a test whether you can stand the strain and it shouldn't be like that. 

[Caroline]

Hi Maggie,it matters not,to me,how a person views the case,it's the way their " argument " comes over,and I can " feel " that person's post. I've never had a problem with either Jan or Alias,and I'm sure that if they were staunch anti's,their attitudes would remain the same as they've always been without the need for insults or abuse,because their outlooks are entirely different. Even Steve as I've mentioned.

Looking back before I came onto the forum,there were one or two supporters who were given a bad time,and I really can't understand why that is,but it's horrible to read and it's not gone unnoticed that we've lost posters.
It's now become a test whether you can stand the strain and it shouldn't be like that.

Yes it has and not just for you and your 'mates' - you're not averse to hostility yourself. You and a few others claim you don't like the bad feeling and hate the arguing but constantly dig until someone bites. You reap what you sow.

[scipio_usmc]

At least Gringo puts explanations in his posts without " forcing " any issues of guilt or innocence down our throats such as yourself and Scipio.

Steve is an anti,but his posts explain, rather than " put anyone down " or to call opposition posts BS.
There's absolutely no need for the scathing posts just because some of us think differently.I don't know what it's all for,and I'll obviously reply in the same tone as they're posted. 

The bad feeling which was/is on here,had already been created by the anti's,and when I joined,showing my support,it became like a red-rag to a bull,and I got flak from every direction.Being someone who doesn't suffer fools and sit back and take it,horror of horrors,I stuck up for myself and that's why EVERYONE now blames ME for the " bad feelings ".

It would be a jolly sight easier for me to admit defeat and take it on the chin than argue the toss any longer in order to keep the peace.
What do you call a person who agrees with everything everyone says ?  BORING !!

I take people to task for posting things without having an evidentiary basis for their claims be it your constant claims about June and Nevill having nail marks in their arms (which recently you seem to have expanded to Sheila) or Mike's dozens of allegations that have no support at all. 

[Jan]

A question

is there evidence that Jeremy says the pictures never existed ? Which would make Colin a liar - which I do doubt .

Or did he just tell the Sun they did not exist . Which is a different argument all together.

[Alias]

You have the right to believed what you like, Alias. But when you only put forth supporter arugements, seem unable to view the case from both sides, speak negatively about the police, the family, Colin, June & Neville ....and basically ANYONE that isn't Bamber....

..and then say "I'm on the fence!"

It's going to cause questions. 

Truth of the matter is, I am rapidly losing interest in the case - and the people discussing it.
I don´t have any feelings invested, I just see a possible MOJ.
Most of what I write is misinterpreted because people have other people in boxes and can only see one side to them.
I am losing interest overall.

[Alias]

I don't care what your stance is to be honest but you do come over as a supporter.

I'm not trying to convince anyone - I just don't like lies! What's it to you if I want to post here? Too bad if you don't like the fact that I don't let people get away with BS - I'll continue to pick over the bones if that's OK by you?

I don´t care.

[maggie]

Truth of the matter is, I am rapidly losing interest in the case - and the people discussing it.
I don´t have any feelings invested, I just see a possible MOJ.
Most of what I write is misinterpreted because people have other people in boxes and can only see one side to them.
I am losing interest overall.

I do understand Alias, it is difficult if you're constantly being accused of something you aren't guilty of.  I understand how you think and why because I think in a similar way.  Keep kicking it out Alias, you are a great poster.