Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[Jane]

Hi April,  Helen Grimster had this conversation with Sheila on 30th March 1985, she was visiting WHF at a time Sheila was also there   Helen Grimster's mother was a cousin of June's I think.

It was in the March of that year,1985,that Helen stayed there,and after that,didn't return again.

There's a discrepancy here, is there not? MAGGIE says -thanks for that, Maggie- that Helen was visiting. YOU say she was STAYING which, given that Sheila had only come out of hospital that week and was clearly at WHF to recuperate- I'd find it strange in the extreme if June had invited others to stay, too- so what we are left with are the possible musings of what Sheila, recovering from mental breakdown, so hardly likely to be holding vivacious conversations, said to another during a visit of a few hours. It's interesting to note that Helen says Sheila said she HAD (at some moment?) had thoughts of suicide, NOT that she was contemplating suicide.

[susan]

Scipio, Lookout looks after lots of cats.

She says Jeremy is innocent. Accept this as fact.

Adam have you ever thought of getting a cat lookout has two and they are so lucky to have her to look after them

[lookout]

Adam have you ever thought of getting a cat lookout has two and they are so lucky to have her to look after them

Aww,Susan,thankyou. They've both had some Sunday dinner------mashed up with gravy.

I didn't know whether to eat mine or jump over it.

[susan]

Aww,Susan,thankyou. They've both had some Sunday dinner------mashed up with gravy.

I didn't know whether to eat mine or jump over it.

lookout maybe you should try Adam with Sunday dinner mashed up with gravy or maybe better jump over him   Your little kitties are so lucky to have you caring for them   I have always judged people by the way they treat animals it is a good guide to who is a nice person or not so nice person.

[scipio_usmc]

We do indeed have a statement from Helen Grimster. What we don't have from her is an indication of how often she was in Sheila's company, ie where, in proximity to each other did they live, were they neighbours, were they in each others company daily, weekly, monthly on a regular basis OR were their meetings one off happenstances. The statement we have SEEMS to be from one meeting and one meeting only and MAY have been at a time when Sheila was up, down, sober, drunk or just plain reflective on the meaning of life!!!

Helen Grimster's statement adds nothing to the body of knowledge.  Sheila was talking to her about her past including being bullied during school, how she contemplated suicide before her treatment and how she was on medication.  Ferguson already noted she told him she contemplated suicide before she was treated so her statements add's nothing new. It doesn't report that she said she was contemplating suicide on that day but rather it is obvious she was talking about had thought about suicide in the past.

A great many people think about suicide at some point in their life a very small percentage of those who think about it actually try.  She didn't claim she ever tried. She didn't claim she tried to Grimster, to Ferguson or anyone else.

[lookout]

lookout maybe you should try Adam with Sunday dinner mashed up with gravy or maybe better jump over him   Your little kitties are so lucky to have you caring for them   I have always judged people by the way they treat animals it is a good guide to who is a nice person or not so nice person.

Yes,it can be said for the majority of people who have animals--------except the " banned dogs " brigade.

[susan]

Yes,it can be said for the majority of people who have animals--------except the " banned dogs " brigade.

lookout sorry I forgot about that lot horrible human beings

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio, Lookout looks after lots of cats.

She says Jeremy is innocent. Accept this as fact.

Are you suggesting she is a crazy cat lady who eventually shows up in the news as 150 cats are removed or do you have some other silly point in mind?

[Caroline]

There's a discrepancy here, is there not? MAGGIE says -thanks for that, Maggie- that Helen was visiting. YOU say she was STAYING which, given that Sheila had only come out of hospital that week and was clearly at WHF to recuperate- I'd find it strange in the extreme if June had invited others to stay, too- so what we are left with are the possible musings of what Sheila, recovering from mental breakdown, so hardly likely to be holding vivacious conversations, said to another during a visit of a few hours. It's interesting to note that Helen says Sheila said she HAD (at some moment?) had thoughts of suicide, NOT that she was contemplating suicide.

Hi April,

She does say she was staying there but doesn't indicate how long.

[scipio_usmc]

Hi April,

She does say she was staying there but doesn't indicate how long.

They could have stayed over before Sheila got home and then left the day Sheila returned home.  It says she only spoke to Sheila the same day she got home.   

[Caroline]

They could have stayed over before Sheila got home and then left the day Sheila returned home.  It says she only spoke to Sheila the same day she got home.

Could have, who knows.

[lookout]

Are you suggesting she is a crazy cat lady who eventually shows up in the news as 150 cats are removed or do you have some other silly point in mind?

No,not 150,just two,one of which doesn't really belong to me but has made his home here.

[lookout]

No,not 150,just two,one of which doesn't really belong to me but has made his home here.

His name is Moriarty.

[Jane]

His name is Moriarty.

And does he have an opponent called Sherlock......................or even Cummerbatch

[lookout]

And does he have an opponent called Sherlock......................or even Cummerbatch

He probably does,as his owner has two or three cats. This one at my place craves attention and the owner is at her shop all day and every day,so that's probably why he's made his home here.